JD SCV Extra Ports Qeuestion
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Partsman2
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What you need is a power beyond kit being as your attachment has it's own control valve. I bought one with my 4710 which was installed by the dealer but they are easy to install your own.
This setup puts a set of remotes at the back of the tractor and there is a loop hose that is used when not using the rear hydraulics. When you are going to use an attachment you diconnect the pressure side of your loop hose and plug the implement pressure hose there. The kit adds a male QD fitting on the rear of the sump housing where the sump line of your implement goes to.
The only down side of this is that it diables your 3 pt hydraulics when you have an implement attached. This only bothers me when I try to run my 3 pt log splitter from this tractor but I don't use it with this tractor any more.
It works great with my JD backhoe.
The other kits/setups mentioned require a separate control valve that then has to be held open whenever you are using the rear hydraulics which would be a pain the butt at best I would think.
This setup puts a set of remotes at the back of the tractor and there is a loop hose that is used when not using the rear hydraulics. When you are going to use an attachment you diconnect the pressure side of your loop hose and plug the implement pressure hose there. The kit adds a male QD fitting on the rear of the sump housing where the sump line of your implement goes to.
The only down side of this is that it diables your 3 pt hydraulics when you have an implement attached. This only bothers me when I try to run my 3 pt log splitter from this tractor but I don't use it with this tractor any more.
It works great with my JD backhoe.
The other kits/setups mentioned require a separate control valve that then has to be held open whenever you are using the rear hydraulics which would be a pain the butt at best I would think.
mjncad
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Although I've heard that the 3rd and 4th/5th SCV kits are longer available for my 4200, I decided to call a couple of dealers today to see if they had some in stock.
First I called the dealer I bought the tractor from and requested the parts department. I told them what I wanted and they told me it had to be bought through the sales department. OK, they transfer me to the salesman I bought my rig from. I'm looking at the JDparts.com web page for my 4200 and have the kit numbers. He confirms that they are no longer available, and if they were I would need to get the power beyond kit (no longer available) to run the 4th & 5th SCV.
I then called another dealer and asked for the parts department. Once again I got shunted off to sales. After a half hour on the phone with this dealer, he thinks the kits are no longer available too. Then he tells me that I'd have to buy the 3rd SCV or dual SCV kit before I can get the 4th & 5th SCV kit. The mid-mount dual kit is already on the tractor as it powers the loader. The pictures of the 3rd SCV kit show one fender mounted lever connected to a valve via cable. The pictures for the 4th & 5th SCV kit show the same fender mounted installation as the third SCV, so buying a 3rd SCV to get the 4th & 5th seems like bogus info. Then he tells me he thinks the 4th & 5th SCV kit goes for $900+/- and 7 to 8 hours of labor at $70 to install it. I'm guessing he pulled this number out of thin air based on a current tractor.
I was going to call two other Deere dealers; but said screw it as I figured the parts department would shunt me over to sales just to tell me conflicting info and that the kits are no longer available. This must be a Deere policy and not a dealer one.
I was thinking I would use the 4th & 5th SCV to power a top-n-tilt arrangement I want to add. Now I'll call Carter & Carter Machinery next week after I do some measurements of my 3PH and see where I might mount the joystick valve.
However, today's phone calls reinforces my gripe that Deere, Kubota, NH and others have jumped on the computer industry bandwagon of making new models after only 2 to 4 years of production in an effort to con people into buying the latest and greatest. Hey I would like a new Deere cab tractor; but that's not in the financial cards right now, so I keep my 4200 maintained and happy. A tractor is a work tool meant to be used for many years and not be a throw away toy like a computer has become. A few months ago I started a thread about this rapid model turnover.
First I called the dealer I bought the tractor from and requested the parts department. I told them what I wanted and they told me it had to be bought through the sales department. OK, they transfer me to the salesman I bought my rig from. I'm looking at the JDparts.com web page for my 4200 and have the kit numbers. He confirms that they are no longer available, and if they were I would need to get the power beyond kit (no longer available) to run the 4th & 5th SCV.
I then called another dealer and asked for the parts department. Once again I got shunted off to sales. After a half hour on the phone with this dealer, he thinks the kits are no longer available too. Then he tells me that I'd have to buy the 3rd SCV or dual SCV kit before I can get the 4th & 5th SCV kit. The mid-mount dual kit is already on the tractor as it powers the loader. The pictures of the 3rd SCV kit show one fender mounted lever connected to a valve via cable. The pictures for the 4th & 5th SCV kit show the same fender mounted installation as the third SCV, so buying a 3rd SCV to get the 4th & 5th seems like bogus info. Then he tells me he thinks the 4th & 5th SCV kit goes for $900+/- and 7 to 8 hours of labor at $70 to install it. I'm guessing he pulled this number out of thin air based on a current tractor.
I was going to call two other Deere dealers; but said screw it as I figured the parts department would shunt me over to sales just to tell me conflicting info and that the kits are no longer available. This must be a Deere policy and not a dealer one.
I was thinking I would use the 4th & 5th SCV to power a top-n-tilt arrangement I want to add. Now I'll call Carter & Carter Machinery next week after I do some measurements of my 3PH and see where I might mount the joystick valve.
However, today's phone calls reinforces my gripe that Deere, Kubota, NH and others have jumped on the computer industry bandwagon of making new models after only 2 to 4 years of production in an effort to con people into buying the latest and greatest. Hey I would like a new Deere cab tractor; but that's not in the financial cards right now, so I keep my 4200 maintained and happy. A tractor is a work tool meant to be used for many years and not be a throw away toy like a computer has become. A few months ago I started a thread about this rapid model turnover.
mjncad said:
Good morning,
BTDT on the Deere dealership experience. JD (corporate) considers what we, the consumer, thinks of as "parts" to be "accessories" and thus, they protect the sales staff on this one. The sales staff has separate portals on-line that are not the same as the parts guys, who cannot see these pages. That explains the confusion.
Having said that, I don't think that the issue is "planned obsolescence" or trying to shift consumers to newer models vis-a-vis the computer industry, whose dramatic technology changes explain their short life cycles.
Rather, I think that it is purely market considerations and supply/demand. The 4000 series is now, what, 6-8 years old? And, most first-time buyers either purchased accessories (e.g., SCV kits) during initial product purchase, shortly thereafter, or certainly within a couple of years. And -- 2nd (or 3rd) owners (like myself; JD 4300) with accessory needs is so small that demand does not warrant supply.
On the other hand, I have had great experiences with JD parts for even what most would consider obscure parts -- but these are parts that are needed for maintaining my tractor. Related, the individual parts for the SCV kits are still available, I think, but are much more expensive than if assembled in a kit. For example, the console that goes on the right fender for the 3rd SCV kit is around $100 for basically a piece of molded plastic, but it is probably the only part in the kit that one would absolutely have to have to replicate the kit with other parts. And -- if you need the 3rd SCV lever in a different location other than the right fender, then an aftermarket kit (or assemblage of parts) may be the better option anyway.
Different JD subject: The plastic hoods that are too flimsy for a child's toy and batteries that corrode the front area including the radiator? I'm with you on frustration on those things. There should be no major component on a tractor (e.g., the hood) that can be destroyed with a liittle too hard yank or a less-than-lubricated hinge. The gas cap area of the hood is woefully and inadequately underdesigned (and, it is so obvious that one must wonder if it is intentional) and John Deere should recall the hoods from every 4000 series compact tractor and replace them with something that reflects the build quality of the rest of the tractor. As it stands, a most conspicuous item (the hood) wrongfully projects a less-than-quality image for what is, to me, a wonderful tractor in all other respects.
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The kits are actually options that are intended to be installed by the dealer at the time of tractor sale. You are correct, the part numbers do not show up in the parts department computer as I've tried that myself for my CURRENT tractor. That's why they have to refer you to the sales department. They aren't considered parts but rather accessories or tractor options. Once the tractor is no longer a current model, there is essentially no need to keep them on the books as a sales option. At that point, it is presumed that any tractors out there will only need the parts to maintain that option. This is why you can generally buy the parts but not the entire kit.
So for the most part, the parts to keep those kits running generally ARE available from the parts department, just not the complete kit. The difference is in the pricing. If you were to peice the kit together, it would cost much more than the cost of a complete kit making it less cost effective to "accessorize" your tractor after the fact. Try this out yourself: Go to the deere configurator and look at the parts/diagram for the 3rd SCV. The parts are all listed and if you add parts to the shopping cart, they will actually register. The only time it will not register (or show part no longer available) is if you selected the KIT, which as we already know, is not available.
I know this does not help you but simply speaking, if an option is desired (or may be desired in the future), get it at the time tractor is purchased and don't let the salesperson tell you that you can always add it later. It may not be a cost effective option after the fact. For you, if you have your mind set on it, you can still peice the kit together but a much more cost effective solution is to install the power beyond kit and use that to power an aftermarket spool to add as many additional remotes as you want.
So for the most part, the parts to keep those kits running generally ARE available from the parts department, just not the complete kit. The difference is in the pricing. If you were to peice the kit together, it would cost much more than the cost of a complete kit making it less cost effective to "accessorize" your tractor after the fact. Try this out yourself: Go to the deere configurator and look at the parts/diagram for the 3rd SCV. The parts are all listed and if you add parts to the shopping cart, they will actually register. The only time it will not register (or show part no longer available) is if you selected the KIT, which as we already know, is not available.
I know this does not help you but simply speaking, if an option is desired (or may be desired in the future), get it at the time tractor is purchased and don't let the salesperson tell you that you can always add it later. It may not be a cost effective option after the fact. For you, if you have your mind set on it, you can still peice the kit together but a much more cost effective solution is to install the power beyond kit and use that to power an aftermarket spool to add as many additional remotes as you want.
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oops, should have read reasly's post more closely before posting. Apparently, we are saying much the same thing regarding the options.
mjncad
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The problem is that I was a naive newbie buying my first tractor in 2001, and had no clue whether to get extra SCV's and a power beyond or not. Unfortunately for me the sales department's explanation of these items wasn't too clear either.
If I knew then what I knew now, I would have ordered the extra SCV's and power beyond back then.
If I knew then what I knew now, I would have ordered the extra SCV's and power beyond back then.
Reasley,
I bought my kit from a dealer named Zahm-Matson, they are supposed to be in NY.
My kit has all the parts that appear in the parts list online for the 3rd SCV kit.
The hard lines and remote cable and the piece that goes on the right fender.
I notice that there is another one on Ebay right now as I write this if anyone else is interested.
If you are going to put this 3rd SCV kit on though you might as well go ahead and get a PB kit also and put them on at the same time as the tear down is the same for both and the kits actually share some of the same parts. For instance the plate at the rear of the tractor that holds the QD's is the same for both kits. The PB kit is still available through JD parts.
Looking at the parts list and diagram, you can install either a 3rd SCV or a 4th/5th SCV kit in the right fender but not both.
The diagram for the 4th/5th kit, looks like it just hooks into the PB ports, so it would be necessary to have it already installed.
I plan to do something similar and just plumb another valve purchased at Surplus Center in order to get dedicated valves for TNT.
Best Regards,
James
I bought my kit from a dealer named Zahm-Matson, they are supposed to be in NY.
My kit has all the parts that appear in the parts list online for the 3rd SCV kit.
The hard lines and remote cable and the piece that goes on the right fender.
I notice that there is another one on Ebay right now as I write this if anyone else is interested.
If you are going to put this 3rd SCV kit on though you might as well go ahead and get a PB kit also and put them on at the same time as the tear down is the same for both and the kits actually share some of the same parts. For instance the plate at the rear of the tractor that holds the QD's is the same for both kits. The PB kit is still available through JD parts.
Looking at the parts list and diagram, you can install either a 3rd SCV or a 4th/5th SCV kit in the right fender but not both.
The diagram for the 4th/5th kit, looks like it just hooks into the PB ports, so it would be necessary to have it already installed.
I plan to do something similar and just plumb another valve purchased at Surplus Center in order to get dedicated valves for TNT.
Best Regards,
James
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mjncad said:
Don't feel bad, you are not the only one. My salesperson told me I didn't need any of that and I could always add them later, even though I specifically told him I wanted all options now that would be more hassle or more costly to install later. When I later asked to have these installed, the price quoted was way higher due to labor and I ended up installing all by myself: Power Beyond, TnT kit, 3rd SCV, electric diverter with 4th/5th remotes. Luckily for me, I found another dealer that had no problems selling those kits to me.
