john deere 1050 joystick installation help!!!!

[krisbodean85]

Ok so I hooked the two lines together and the 3 pt hitch works greats so what I’m thinking and tell me if I’m wrong is put a “t” in those two lines and hook it up to the in port on the joystick control valve and leave the out like it is. And plug the power beyond port. They had one line going to the in the other the out and one to the power beyond.

 

[Dave M7040]

Are you controlling the lift arms and bucket using the two green arms with black knobs located beside the seat?

Seems like an unusual loader control arrangement, do you know the history of the loader install on the tractor?

This would be a more typical John Deere rear remote setup

One in and out for a snow blower chute rotator and the second to control a deflector on the end of the blower spout.
A FEL control valve would be plumbed into the hydraulics separate from the rear remotes.

Any comments on the gold colored valve?

Dave m7040

 

[TimberHole]

Yes the loader is controlled from the green levers. The has long lines that hook to the rear remotes. It's a factory install. The tractor is a late 90's 950. I don't know if any of this is relevant to the OP's issue. I thought it might be helpful for him and you to see the original install. A 950 and 1050 are pretty much the same machine.

 

[Dave M7040]

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I am studying the photos you posted earlier.

I see only three individual and different pictures although 12 are in your post

Is this how you see what you posted?

Dave M7040

 

[Dave M7040]

Ok so I hooked the two lines together and the 3 pt hitch works greats so what I’m thinking and tell me if I’m wrong is put a “t” in those two lines and hook it up to the in port on the joystick control valve and leave the out like it is. And plug the power beyond port. They had one line going to the in the other the out and one to the power beyond.

Ok so I hooked the two lines together and the 3 pt hitch works greats so what I’m thinking and tell me if I’m wrong is put a “t” in those two lines and hook it up to the in port on the joystick control valve and leave the out like it is. And plug the power beyond port. They had one line going to the in the other the out and one to the power beyond.

Kris
First thank you very much taking the time and effort into doing the recommended experiment.

Often owners are unwilling for their own reasons to provide any effort into finding a solution.

It is great that we now know there is no problem with the 3 pt hitch.

It is too soon to make an intelligent comment to your idea of using 2 Tees.

I need to fully understand this comment of yours:

1: They had one line going to the in

2: the other the out and

3. one to the power beyond

I have marked up one of your photos.

The steel lines I see are marked #1, #2 #3

The ports on the FEL valve are labeled
A, B, C

Which of 1, 2 or 3 did you connect together to prove the 3 pt works properly?

Which of 1, 2 or 3 is the line from the main pump supplying high pressure oil?

I can see that #1 is connect to A on the FEL valve

Where does steel line #2 connect?

Where does steel line #3 connect on the FEL valve B or C?

Where do you see steel lines #2 and #3 coming from on the tractor and does one of them seem to be a return line to the oil reservoir?

Dave M7040

 

[krisbodean85]

Thanks for all the help so far. My loader does not have that set up you posted it’s actual a joystick control valve I labeled how the go in the loader now

 

[krisbodean85]

I connected the in and power beyond together. (That’s how it was labeled). Lol

 

[Dave M7040]

Thanks for all the help so far. My loader does not have that set up you posted it’s actual a joystick control valve I labeled how the go in the loader now View attachment 543419

Sorry
I did not post the picture I intended

Can you try and tell me where each steel line comes from.

To me the line you labelled in RED and pyb is smaller than the other steel lines.

If this is correct, could it be the main supply line from the hydraulic pump output.

I am starting to wonder if it is just that the IN is reversed with the POWER BEYOND.

Dave M7040

 

[krisbodean85]

Does the power beyond have to be hooked up?

 

[krisbodean85]

Here is another picture different view

 

[krisbodean85]

2 is going to the out
3 is going to the in coming front the bottom of the valve and
The other one is going to the pby coming from the top of the valve of the 3 point hitch

 

[Dave M7040]

Does the power beyond have to be hooked up?

The way it has to work, if it is going to work properly, is that the power beyond line leaving the FEL valve has to be connected to the supply line for the 3 pt hitch.

The FEL valve block has to have a direct connection to the hydraulic fluid reservoir using the OUTLET or TANK port (different names used for the same port). Not going anywhere else first.

The output from the main hydraulic pump has to go directly to the IN port on the FEL valve.

Dave M7040

 

[LouNY]

Does that loader valve have its own pressure relief?
Some of the joy stick setups had a built in relief, and some where as low as 1500#

 

[TimberHole]

Not sure if this helps but I have the parts book

 

[krisbodean85]

So it I put a tee in the IN port of the fel joystick and hook up the in and the (so called power beyond hose ) it should work right? And just plug the pby port on the fel joystick control valve

 

[Dave M7040]

So it I put a tee in the IN port of the fel joystick and hook up the in and the (so called power beyond hose ) it should work right? And just plug the pby port on the fel joystick control valve

No it wont work. See my post #32

The hydraulic pressure will follow the branch of the Tee to the unused valve, be it the 3 pt or the FEL, and you will have no pressure for what you want to control. The open center unused valve will be allowing all flow to return to the reservoir and you have no flow and no pressure for what you are trying to control

This is an open center system not a closed center so you have to be careful of what you read from other posters, at least one of whom has a JD closed center system, which is a completely different one than what you have.

Dave M7040

 

[krisbodean85]

Ok I have to get a fitting tomorrow cause the parts house is closed and report back

 

[Dave M7040]

Plse see the question I asked CROSS hydraulics and their answer.

POWER BEYOND AND IN LINES SWAPPED

My question:

If the IN port and POWER BEYOND port are reversed as a FEL valve is connected into an existing hydraulic circuit on a farm tractor, will it still operate properly?

Stated a different way, the high pressure line from the tractor’s only hydraulic pump is connected into the FEL’s POWER BEYOND port instead of the IN port will it still operate properly?

REPLY FROM CROSS HYDRAULICS

Good day! No, it will not operate properly. When the spool is shifted the Power Byd is blocked.

Thanks, Jeff

This is a pat of sorting out your hydraulic issues we need to double check.

Dave M7040

 

[krisbodean85]

Mr Dave thanks so much for your help I’m going to work on it this evening when I get out of work. I see what he is saying. So basically if I hook the pby line and the in together and put it in the in port on the joystick control valve and block of the exsisting pby port it will still have the same problem? Can I operate one or the other? Not very seldom will I have to use both at the same time. Right now the 3 point hitch is working cause I bypassed the fel but if I come out with a tee and put it in the in port it will not work? I’m sorry for all the questions I’m just trying to understand it. I had a John Deere 750 that I added a fel too and I got sick and tired of racking my head around it that I ended up cutting the main steel lines and putting a tee on the in and th return and it worked fine no problem. I don’t want to have to do that to this tractor. Was is the power beyond for any ways is it to add other valves to the tractor to operate something else?

 

[Dave M7040]

Mr Dave thanks so much for your help I’m going to work on it this evening when I get out of work. I see what he is saying. So basically if I hook the pby line and the in together and put it in the in port on the joystick control valve and block of the exsisting pby port it will still have the same problem? Can I operate one or the other? Not very seldom will I have to use both at the same time. Right now the 3 point hitch is working cause I bypassed the fel but if I come out with a tee and put it in the in port it will not work? I’m sorry for all the questions I’m just trying to understand it. I had a John Deere 750 that I added a fel too and I got sick and tired of racking my head around it that I ended up cutting the main steel lines and putting a tee on the in and th return and it worked fine no problem. I don’t want to have to do that to this tractor. Was is the power beyond for any ways is it to add other valves to the tractor to operate something else?

Kris

Let us start by having you identify each steel line on your tractor in the area of your photos.

You need to be absolutely certain:

which one comes from the pump

which one goes directly to the transmission case as a drain

which one supplies the power to your 3 pt hitch

Once you have done this identification, I think we are close to a solution for you.

The power beyond feature is common in tractor hydraulic circuits. Some people with no knowledge use the out line from a FEL valve to feed a 3 pt hitch. or a top and tilt.

The weakness in doing an addition this way is the the FEL valve body is not strong enough to withstand 2,200 psi of hydraulic pressure on a port designed to just drain into the transmission case. The FEL valve can break leaving you with a significant expense and a tractor out of commission.

The power beyond capability keeps the high pressure hydraulic fluid in an area of the FEL valve which is strong enough to stand the high pressure.

Lets get things working and then deal with your valid questions.

Dave M7040