John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #21  
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Do E's and M's share trans components? Most 5 series farm tractors around here are M's and they are having major problems.

I don't think they do....what sort of problems are you seeing in the M tranny?
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #22  
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Before I ordered my 85e the dealer gave me names and numbers of several owners of 83e and 85m's. One guy had problems with his 11 85m. Mostly with emission problems. Had been back to the dealer twice for emissions. Also had a issue with a hydraulic leak. Few guys had some o-ring issues with hydraulics. Most of the people I talked to were very happy with their tractors, not one mentioned transmission problems. In my area a lot of guys are using them in orchards. Dealer also said they sell a lot more e's then m's.
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #23  
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I wasn't told what the problem was, just that they just tore a few 5M's apart due to internal transmission problems.
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #24  
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And let me clarify, I'm not negative about JD. The only reason I didn't buy a 5 series M was price. But it appears there are some problems, transmission and hydraulic in certain models. What worries me is JD seems to not want to step up and admit the issues. In the hydraulic issue they usually blame the operator. Bummer.
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #25  
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I am betting the transmission issues are on the bigger series E tractors. I know the 9x3 has been around a long time and I have not heard of any issues.
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #26  
I am betting the transmission issues are on the bigger series E tractors. I know the 9x3 has been around a long time and I have not heard of any issues.

The transmission change the salesman was talking to ovrszd about was most likely them now offering the 12/12 PowrRev transmission on the 75hp and less 5000E series tractors. I have one and have 32 flawless hours on it. The 12/12 PR trans and the 16/16 in the higher HP E tractors (5083E and up) have been out for a long time (previously on 5XX3 and 5X25s) without issue.

I had a 9/3 on my 5103 and the SyncReverser didn't seem to work that well with 200 hours on it. Maybe that was an issue some owners of the 9/3s had.
 
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I have a 11' model 83e and have not had any trouble at all ( all 315 hrs. Not that that says a lot.).
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #28  
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i just read this post, how in the heck does a fuel tank melt from hot hydraulic oil?? i have a 5425 other than my detent goin south on #1 scv, i fail to see how a fuel tank will melt. hloy smokes batman, how does that happen?? and 3x's to boot??
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #29  
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i just read this post, how in the heck does a fuel tank melt from hot hydraulic oil?? i have a 5425 other than my detent goin south on #1 scv, i fail to see how a fuel tank will melt. hloy smokes batman, how does that happen?? and 3x's to boot??
Well the tanks are made of injection molded black plastic and probably have a melting point of 400 degrees F or so. Some posters have said their tractors got "Red HOT" which to them means anything that is really hot. To a welder or metal worker "red hot" means a specific temperature where steel actually glows red which is 1400 deg. F, IIRC but a lot of people misuse the phase as they never went to metal shop in school. Hydraulic oil can certainly get boiling hot if constantly being pumped through relief valves at working pressure and the case it is in will get just as hot. They probably saved two bucks a tractor using plastic instead of steel and don't have to worry about rust in the tank ever.
Oil will boil at a much higher temp then water, what the limit is before it flashes over and explodes I don't know. The real question is what is causing the pumps and valves to work overtime superheating the oil in the first place. Is it a bad O-ring in the 3PH piston assembly or an SCV valve that doesn't fully close when the handle is in the closed position? If it's just a deaf operator hitting a valve with his maxi butt every time he looks back at the tool he's pulling they might need to move the SCV levers further out from the seat.
 
   / John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc #30  
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Well the tanks are made of injection molded black plastic and probably have a melting point of 400 degrees F or so. Some posters have said their tractors got "Red HOT" which to them means anything that is really hot. To a welder or metal worker "red hot" means a specific temperature where steel actually glows red which is 1400 deg. F, IIRC but a lot of people misuse the phase as they never went to metal shop in school. Hydraulic oil can certainly get boiling hot if constantly being pumped through relief valves at working pressure and the case it is in will get just as hot. They probably saved two bucks a tractor using plastic instead of steel and don't have to worry about rust in the tank ever.
Oil will boil at a much higher temp then water, what the limit is before it flashes over and explodes I don't know. The real question is what is causing the pumps and valves to work overtime superheating the oil in the first place. Is it a bad O-ring in the 3PH piston assembly or an SCV valve that doesn't fully close when the handle is in the closed position? If it's just a deaf operator hitting a valve with his maxi butt every time he looks back at the tool he's pulling they might need to move the SCV levers further out from the seat.

i have virtually the same tractor, for the hydraulics to get that hot to where the actual fuel tank starts to melt, 3x's for someone is beyond comprehension?? i understand and totally agree with you, it doesnt make sense, the fluid would be boiling to the point where all other components of the system itself would have given up well before, let alone the elements in the filter itself. believe nothing on the internet.
 

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