John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

[ovrszd]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

He ain't gonna stir me. And I don't think that's his intent. I like any color of equipment that proves itself as reliable and dependable. Especially in my Grader World. When I left town at 2:30 this morning in sub zero temps, headed into sparsely populated rural areas, I had total faith in the equipment I was riding. If I can't feel that faith, then I have a problem. Again,,, no matter what color it is.

My Buddy is out right now in my JD Grader because his CAT quit him. Could just as easily have been the other way. I'll be anxious to talk to him tomorrow. There will be things he ABSOLUTELY hates about the Deere,,,, and there will be things he ABSOLUTELY loves about the Deere.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

He ain't gonna stir me. And I don't think that's his intent.

Maybe not but your not the only reader here. Nothing wrong with sparking a discussion, just saying that we can see what he's doing.

 

[ovrszd]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

Maybe not but your not the only reader here. Nothing wrong with sparking a discussion, just saying that we can see what he's doing.

I must be extremely naive. I take a person's statement at face value. I never saw the slightest bit of "stirring the pot". I just saw him state his preference.

 

[fieldman12]

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I am not trying to stir the Pot. They where joking about Cat and I just said I like Cat equipment is all I am stating. I have used both brands and both make good machines.

 

[Verticaltrx]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

I'll add another data point to this thread.

We have a 5045e (2011 model, about 600hrs IIRC) that has recently started having hydraulic overheating issues, and has had other hydraulic issues since it was new. The first issue (that it's had since new) was with the 3pt hitch valving. Something in the valve is adjusted incorrectly so when you raise the 3pt it lift arms go up to the desired point, but then the fluid keeps slightly circulating unless you bump the lever down slightly. I noticed this early on and we've all been in the habit of slightly bumping the 3pt lever down after lifting it. In this situation the oil is flowing through the 3pt valve, but not being forced past the relief valve, so it didn't have much effect on oil heating.

The second problem we had sounds similar to that of the OP. Long story short, something in the rear SCV valves isn't letting the valve center all the time and therefore forcing through fluid through the relief valve. This has happened while tedding hay and while running a post driver (since the valve was being used). When tedding hay it got so bad that the tranny got super hot, hard to shift and the tractor actually seemed to lose power when moving. I don't know why the power loss, but my guess is because everything in the trans expanded from the heat and made it all real tight (maybe the wet brakes too, IDK). We haven't melted a fuel tank yet, but the transmission has gotten really hot on a few occasions.

I personally think the problem isn't with the design, but with Quality Control in India where these tractors are made. The 5045e is more or less the same tractor as the original 5200's were dating back to '93.

 

[fieldman12]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

I'll add another data point to this thread.

We have a 5045e (2011 model, about 600hrs IIRC) that has recently started having hydraulic overheating issues, and has had other hydraulic issues since it was new. The first issue (that it's had since new) was with the 3pt hitch valving. Something in the valve is adjusted incorrectly so when you raise the 3pt it lift arms go up to the desired point, but then the fluid keeps slightly circulating unless you bump the lever down slightly. I noticed this early on and we've all been in the habit of slightly bumping the 3pt lever down after lifting it. In this situation the oil is flowing through the 3pt valve, but not being forced past the relief valve, so it didn't have much effect on oil heating.

The second problem we had sounds similar to that of the OP. Long story short, something in the rear SCV valves isn't letting the valve center all the time and therefore forcing through fluid through the relief valve. This has happened while tedding hay and while running a post driver (since the valve was being used). When tedding hay it got so bad that the tranny got super hot, hard to shift and the tractor actually seemed to lose power when moving. I don't know why the power loss, but my guess is because everything in the trans expanded from the heat and made it all real tight (maybe the wet brakes too, IDK). We haven't melted a fuel tank yet, but the transmission has gotten really hot on a few occasions.

I personally think the problem isn't with the design, but with Quality Control in India where these tractors are made. The 5045e is more or less the same tractor as the original 5200's were dating back to '93.

I myself think its a quality control issue and it could very well be a related issue to India that needs addressed. I have read other complaints when the 3 point is fully raised. Like you and I both stated this design goes all the way back to the 5200 ,5300 and 5400 machines and this was not an issue. I would like to know whats changed.

 

[fieldman12]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

I might add I have driven a 5310 that has around 3,000 hours that has been a darn good machine.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

I myself think its a quality control issue and it could very well be a related issue to India that needs addressed. I have read other complaints when the 3 point is fully raised. Like you and I both stated this design goes all the way back to the 5200 ,5300 and 5400 machines and this was not an issue. I would like to know whats changed.

Yes that is the question in a nut shell. I hope the folks at JD get to the bottom of these issues and makes every customer whole.

 

[ovrszd]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

The first issue (that it's had since new) was with the 3pt hitch valving. Something in the valve is adjusted incorrectly so when you raise the 3pt it lift arms go up to the desired point, but then the fluid keeps slightly circulating unless you bump the lever down slightly. I noticed this early on and we've all been in the habit of slightly bumping the 3pt lever down after lifting it. In this situation the oil is flowing through the 3pt valve, but not being forced past the relief valve, so it didn't have much effect on oil heating.

In regards to this problem. My Kubota was the same way when I got it. I'd hear a slight hissing hydraulic noise when the 3pt lever was raised all the way. I called the dealer and talked to a mechanic and he steered me to the correction.

With a Kubota theres an adustable linkage that attaches to the cast iron 3pt arm. The other end of that adjustable rod is attached to a lever coming out of the 3pt valve box. The problem was that the 3pt arms would reach their mechanical limit slightly before the adjustable rod would tell the 3pt valve to shut off.

If memory serves me right I shortened the rod 1/2 turn. Worked like a champ. If you adjust too far you'll begin to limit the 3pt's lift height. In your case, I'm guessing it'll only take a minor adjustment. You described exactly what I experienced.

I adjusted mine because my Brother and Sons all run my tractor. I did not want to worry about them running the 3pt into relief like that.

Here's a picture of my setup. You can clearly see the adjustable rod with one end fastened to the 3pt arm. Hopefully if you know what to look for you can find yours.

 

[Soggy Bottom Outdoors]

Re: John Deere "E" Series Hydraulic Systems Failures Overheating, Stuck Valves, etc

Econometric, I do have a very good local dealer, great parts people and mechanics. This is why I'm looking at Deere when I'm not really a Deere man. It's great when stuff is covered under warranty(I plan on getting an extended warrenty which I will pay extra for) but even warranty parts weather made incorrectly or installed incorectly is really aggravating when I know Deere has made 1000's of those parts. i.e fuel tanks, hydraulic components etc and can't do a good job of it. I haven't test drove it, but I do like the design except for......loud, I wish it had 4 cylinders instead of 3.