John Deere fans, so many?

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   / John Deere fans, so many? #51  
MessickFarmEqu said:
That in itself speaks volumes. I know this is beat to death here, but a good dealer is what makes the brand. None of these companies are anything without the dealerships backing them up. If your local Deere guys have crappy attitudes things would probably be very different in your area. Heck, I don't sell Deere, but if thats how your local dealers are than whats what you should be buying. No tractor is worth buying from anyone who can't back it up, not matter how good a value is maybe.


it's acctually a shame that the two Kubota dealerships that did try to give it a go weren't all that good. I've been far more impressed with Kubota dealers on this board, and even a couple in my state. they just are too far away for me to feel truly comfortable when it comes to servicing the my equipment and having parts close by:( one of the Kubota dealerships was run by a company that has/had the reputation of being a jerk and not taking care of what customers they did have. the other one that gave it a go was a guy that his family is in the car business, so he thought he would get in the tractor business. the thing is, he knew squat about the tractor business! running a tractor dealership IS NOT the same as running a car dealership, and I guess that was his biggest mistake. I was too young when the Case dealership was in business, but have heard that they just couldn't compete. whatever that means, never heard of any other reason other then that one. i long for the day when someone who knows what they're doing brings a Kubota, NH, MF, etc. dealership near me and it's here to stay.

if anyone on here is looking to expand their dealership there's a good market where I live!:D I honestly do believe another brand could survive, and do very well here. they just need to have someone whos knowledgable about the tractor business, and is agressive in price and service.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #52  
Farmwithjunk said:
I didn't get "ticked" or condescending. You made a bold statement and I happen to have proof that it just isn't that way.

Obviously, we will just have to disagree. I see positively no "proof" in any way, shape or form that you even have the slightest "proof" to change my experience with a manufacturer. Talk about, using your word, ridiculous! I'll go about my merry way and you can feel contented that you, in all your self proclaimed wisdom, have proof that my personally lived experience is wrong. G'day. :)
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #53  
Dargo said:
Obviously, we will just have to disagree. I see positively no "proof" in any way, shape or form that you even have the slightest "proof" to change my experience with a manufacturer. Talk about, using your word, ridiculous! I'll go about my merry way and you can feel contented that you, in all your self proclaimed wisdom, have proof that my personally lived experience is wrong. G'day. :)

It appears you need to "personally live" a little bit more.

When you get time, read that signature line of yours and realize you're INSISTING on the fact that you know what you DON'T know.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #54  
Well, now that the little tiff appears to be over....

:D

Personally, I'd like to own a John Deere someday, and as I said, the 4520 with a 400cx loader and R4s would do just nicely.

However, my MF 1540 is a pretty darn good tractor in and of itself.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #55  
RollingsFarms said:
it's acctually a shame that the two Kubota dealerships that did try to give it a go weren't all that good. I've been far more impressed with Kubota dealers on this board, and even a couple in my state. they just are too far away for me to feel truly comfortable when it comes to servicing the my equipment and having parts close by:( one of the Kubota dealerships was run by a company that has/had the reputation of being a jerk and not taking care of what customers they did have. the other one that gave it a go was a guy that his family is in the car business, so he thought he would get in the tractor business. the thing is, he knew squat about the tractor business! running a tractor dealership IS NOT the same as running a car dealership, and I guess that was his biggest mistake. I was too young when the Case dealership was in business, but have heard that they just couldn't compete. whatever that means, never heard of any other reason other then that one. i long for the day when someone who knows what they're doing brings a Kubota, NH, MF, etc. dealership near me and it's here to stay.

if anyone on here is looking to expand their dealership there's a good market where I live!:D I honestly do believe another brand could survive, and do very well here. they just need to have someone whos knowledgable about the tractor business, and is agressive in price and service.

I'll second that. I really wish there was a good Kubota/Mahindra/Ford dealer in our neck of the woods. Anyone wanna bankroll RollingsFarm a dealership? I would give it a go, but I lack two things, money and people skills. :D
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #56  
tjkadar said:
I'll second that. I really wish there was a good Kubota/Mahindra/Ford dealer in our neck of the woods. Anyone wanna bankroll RollingsFarm a dealership? I would give it a go, but I lack two things, money and people skills. :D

I am the LAST person who should ever be in the business of owning/operating a tractor dealership. i pretty much know the market around here, and i could be of some help, but i wouldn't want to depend on that as my living. farming is already risky enough! i still don't believe that there isn't room for more tractor makes and dealers in this area. a person SHOULD be making a killing in the CUT market around these parts. not to mention the horse farms in the area.

ofcourse there aren't too many great car dealerships around Sumter, so it's not suprising that the few dealerships we've had besides Jd have been less then acceptable.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #57  
RollingsFarms said:
I am the LAST person who should ever be in the business of owning/operating a tractor dealership. i pretty much know the market around here, and i could be of some help, but i wouldn't want to depend on that as my living. farming is already risky enough! i still don't believe that there isn't room for more tractor makes and dealers in this area. a person SHOULD be making a killing in the CUT market around these parts. not to mention the horse farms in the area.

ofcourse there aren't too many great car dealerships around Sumter, so it's not suprising that the few dealerships we've had besides Jd have been less then acceptable.

In this day and age, one of he WORST things that can happen is to get a full compliment of brands in a given market area. At least that's what has happened here. Once upon a time, tractor/farm equipment dealers were a very localized business. With the reduced numbers of actual "production agriculture" farms, the equipment sales business has changed dramatically. Nowdays it's all about the "big boys", both farmers and dealers. The home-owner/ranchette/hobby farmer equipment market is so competitive (even cut-throat) that dealers feel they need a volume sales to survive. All that has led to a more "regional" sales base. With a full line-up of brands/dealers competing for a relatively limited market, too many dealers in one market effectively put each other out of business. At that point it becomes an "only the strong survive" atmosphere.

I live a short distance south of Louisville Kentucky. So, essentially I'm in the Louisville Metro area market. We have one full line John Deere dealer that's actually one of 5 outlets in a chain scattered throughout the state, a Deere industrial/commercial equipment dealer, and a few lawn and garden equipment dealers. When this Deere dealer came on the local scene 3 years ago, they forced 2 GREAT old time Deere dealers out of business. (Deere's corporate policy of promoting large "superstores" as opposed to smaller low volume dealers....) There's a great NH dealership with an also ran about 20 miles north of Louisville. The Kubota dealer in town is one of a chain throughout Northern Kentucky and Southern Indiana. Kioti has virtually disappeared after the one lone dealer went belly up. Massey Ferguson has 3 dealers, located on the extreme fringes of the Metro area, all 3 being excellent smaller dealerships. What was possibly the best dealership in the area, a FarmTrac retailer, has all but closed his doors. We have a wide assortment. Minhandra has made a couple attempts in the area but just hasn't really caught on here. Montana has a "dealer" such as it is, more or less just a guy who sells tractors out of his home. Range out a few miles into the rural areas, say 40 miles or so from the Metro area's borders, and you'll find a few smaller dealers still surviving, but non that are thriving.

But... NONE of them are really thriving. The Deere and Kubota dealers do OK, but rely on their network of stores to total a larger sales volume. The Massey dealers are doing fine because of their old fashioned small town family run business approach. Beyond that, they're all beating each other to death. We would be better off with a few LESS brands, or at the very least, a few less dealers. Competition is a good thing UNLESS all the players beat each other senseless.

Out of all these dealers, the LEAST likely one to give a buyer a bargain is the "big box" John Deere dealer. (less than 5 miles from my house) I've bought one tractor from them, and other than service, I won't be returning. The MOST likely to provide a bargain? The oldest, smallest, most low keyed one of the lot, a Massey Ferguson dealer who's been around since they sold Ferguson TO-20's back in 1950. Still in the same old building, still the same family running it. (3rd generation now involved) Big, fancy, modern, high profile is good in booming economic times. But, NEWS FLASH!!!! We aren't having that sort of times right now. The low overhead, low pressure old school guys are "business as usual" right now.

And no matter how good or bad the product is, no matter how much advertising dollars are spent on a corporate level, if you don't get a good deal and great support on a local DEALER LEVEL, you won't be happy with your purchase long term.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #58  
Farmwithjunk said:
In this day and age, one of he WORST things that can happen is to get a full compliment of brands in a given market area. At least that's what has happened here. Once upon a time, tractor/farm equipment dealers were a very localized business. With the reduced numbers of actual "production agriculture" farms, the equipment sales business has changed dramatically. Nowdays it's all about the "big boys", both farmers and dealers. The home-owner/ranchette/hobby farmer equipment market is so competitive (even cut-throat) that dealers feel they need a volume sales to survive. All that has led to a more "regional" sales base. With a full line-up of brands/dealers competing for a relatively limited market, too many dealers in one market effectively put each other out of business. At that point it becomes an "only the strong survive" atmosphere.

I live a short distance south of Louisville Kentucky. So, essentially I'm in the Louisville Metro area market. We have one full line John Deere dealer that's actually one of 5 outlets in a chain scattered throughout the state, a Deere industrial/commercial equipment dealer, and a few lawn and garden equipment dealers. When this Deere dealer came on the local scene 3 years ago, they forced 2 GREAT old time Deere dealers out of business. (Deere's corporate policy of promoting large "superstores" as opposed to smaller low volume dealers....) There's a great NH dealership with an also ran about 20 miles north of Louisville. The Kubota dealer in town is one of a chain throughout Northern Kentucky and Southern Indiana. Kioti has virtually disappeared after the one lone dealer went belly up. Massey Ferguson has 3 dealers, located on the extreme fringes of the Metro area, all 3 being excellent smaller dealerships. What was possibly the best dealership in the area, a FarmTrac retailer, has all but closed his doors. We have a wide assortment. Minhandra has made a couple attempts in the area but just hasn't really caught on here. Montana has a "dealer" such as it is, more or less just a guy who sells tractors out of his home. Range out a few miles into the rural areas, say 40 miles or so from the Metro area's borders, and you'll find a few smaller dealers still surviving, but non that are thriving.

But... NONE of them are really thriving. The Deere and Kubota dealers do OK, but rely on their network of stores to total a larger sales volume. The Massey dealers are doing fine because of their old fashioned small town family run business approach. Beyond that, they're all beating each other to death. We would be better off with a few LESS brands, or at the very least, a few less dealers. Competition is a good thing UNLESS all the players beat each other senseless.

Out of all these dealers, the LEAST likely one to give a buyer a bargain is the "big box" John Deere dealer. (less than 5 miles from my house) I've bought one tractor from them, and other than service, I won't be returning. The MOST likely to provide a bargain? The oldest, smallest, most low keyed one of the lot, a Massey Ferguson dealer who's been around since they sold Ferguson TO-20's back in 1950. Still in the same old building, still the same family running it. (3rd generation now involved) Big, fancy, modern, high profile is good in booming economic times. But, NEWS FLASH!!!! We aren't having that sort of times right now. The low overhead, low pressure old school guys are "business as usual" right now.

And no matter how good or bad the product is, no matter how much advertising dollars are spent on a corporate level, if you don't get a good deal and great support on a local DEALER LEVEL, you won't be happy with your purchase long term.


I understand what you're saying. sounds pretty similar to my area, although mine is much smaller then yours. i would guess the town of Sumter(about 15 min from my farm) is about 137,000 people?? that's just a rough estimate off the top of my head, so take that as you will. no dealerships in this town, except for the two used to be Kubota places i mentioned in an earlier post. then 15 min 'in the other direction' of me there's the town of Manning(about a 15 min drive also). this has ONE dealership there, it's always been there acctually. was a small dealership sort of like you describe your Mf dealer. it was bought a few years ago by a large Deere dealer, who owns about 5 other dealerships around the state. they aren't a 'super store' but they have more then just 'a few tractors' on there lot at the time. they give pretty good service, no complaints really. my biggest reasoning for wishing for other dealers is not because i've fallen out of favor with my local dealership, but i would love to have the option to shop a MF dealer, or a NH, or something like that. then you have another Deere dealer about 35 min away, but it's owned by the same people that own the one in Manning. they give fair prices i'd say most of the time, nothing to ever get giddy about though. it's almost like if i were shopping for a tractor i would most likely have to get a JD and like their price or have nothing at all. again, they've never been unreasonable in prices, but you COULD do better. i would really like to shop a MF 500 series tractor, theyjust seem to grab my attention more then the current JD utility lineup. only problem is there dealer is 45 min away, and is also a NH and Kubota dealership as well. he has a couple of MF tractors, but mostly carries NH and Kubota. i think it's more personal eny of other posters on here that can drive 30 min and shop 5 dealers of different makes before making a decision. while i love Deere and have always farmed with their equipment, there are certain things about them that i don't like and prefer in other models(the MF utility lineup for example). i am not wishing for my area to be swamped with dealers as far as the eye can see, but i do feel that there is more then enough room for a couple more.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #59  
I am a fan of John Deere. Why? Because I like the products I have purchased from them. If my deaaler was bad or the products bad, I would not be a fan of John Deere. Simple. Why so many fans? They seem to have a well respected brand and name recognition and presence in the market place. Of all the tractor vendors in my area, they have survived by adapting and being relatively good at what they do.

I bought a Deere T125 weed whacker and the choke lever broke off. I am not happy about that. But it still starts and runs. I am sure if I took it into the dealer I could get it fixed pronto.
 
   / John Deere fans, so many? #60  
Well here is my story, I'm not glad that I have one already. Just got my 2305 delivered Friday guy went over everything with me, I noticed their where 2 cotter pins laying on the deck he said the guy must have forgotten to pick them up, ok no problem right (wrong) note the deck lowered and raised fine at the time. So he takes off I proceed to take the fel off so I can mow, so I set the mower height and start to mow. On second lap the mower is on the ground scalping the grass, so of course I stop and get off to try and find out what is wrong with this thing only 8 minutes after after I start using it. So I got down and noticed the pins that hold the mower deck to the hydraulic lift are gone on both sides. So i call the dealer they are sending the service manager out right know, he shows up puts the pins in and says let me look this over for you to make sure their isn't anything else that they missed. I though well the pins I can kinda see how mabey they got called to do something else and forgot to put the pins in. Well he finds they didn't tighten the bolt that holds the hydraulic cylinder on the tractor. He said that would have been a disaster if that fell off. This guy was super nice he really knew his stuff. He sat their for almost an hour making sure everything was good. helped me set the mower back up, gave me his business card and said if I have a problem give him a call directly. They were trying to hurry and get me my tractor for this weekend, so I guess I cant me to mad but I would have rather waited 30 extra minutes and had the stuff done right the first time and not have them out at all. Moral of the story the dealer seems so far to take care of me and that is what will keep me with them. My sales guy even delivered the tractor for free and they said they don't usually do it for free, but I am only 13 miles away so they shouldn't be out to much for gas. So no other problems yet except I couldn't figure out how to keep the mower deck locked up but I finally figured it out, the sticker is off a little bit.This thing mows like a dream and in 1/4 the time my yardman mower did.

Tim D.
 
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