John deere loader specs.

[GManBart]

If you really wanted to stir the pot you would say that the reason Kioti and LS have not submitted any tractors is because they don't meet their claims.

Of course that is not true, but it would light up this thread.

Or it could be that their business is already growing as fast as their plans call for. LS says their exports are growing at 30% per year...double what many companies are seeing.

 

[Dizno]

You really want to be that dishonest, and try rewriting the history of the thread? I'm being 100% objective. You said the 8N didn't have a sleeved engine, I pointed out that they do. Period, end of story, you were wrong, and are making up stuff you don't really understand.

If someone knows so little about tractors to not know that the highest production tractor, of all time, had a sleeved engine, I'm not sure they really have the credentials to opine about the "superior" engineering, materials, or workmanship of any brand tractor. The idea is actually funny....

The early 8N engines had thinner sleeves, the later engines have thicker sleeves. Many people choose to take the extra step to have the older engines bored to accept the thicker sleeves since its not really that big a deal. It isn't, however, necessary, and either style can be rebuilt indefinitely.

If Deere really was the best at everything, they wouldn't have had to get Yanmar to design, engineer, and build so many engines for them. BTW, the chances that Deere actually engineers their own oils, and fluids, is about zero. Winchester doesn't engineer, or make, their own gunpowder, and Deere doesn't engineer, or make their own oil....they pay specialists to do that.

I did hear, however, that Deere engineers, working with experts at Pfizer, have come up with the cure for male pattern baldness, and they put the necessary compound in their ball caps (only available at licensed mega dealers). They were pretty sure it would be a hit with the aging population of their devotees...pretty considerate if you think about it.

If you were to read the thread I spent more time by far pointing out the qualities of John Deere rather than pointing out the deficiencies of a Ford 8N. You are sidestepping many issues and talking of male baldness which may be of interest to some but I cannot converse very well on this topic myself since I know very little about it.

I simply stated a John Deere sleeved engine has a long life. I had this confirmed by a long time John Deere dealership who told me that unless a Deere engine throws a rod, it can be used over and over. You avoided what I pointed out from your very own article and which you failed to acknowledge and choose to belittle others.

Speaking of talking through a hat, you are dead wrong my friend. John Deere has on staff engineers designing their oil. They have been doing this for many, many years. They are on staff and if you want to confirm, travel to your nearest John Deere dealership and ask. Then a small slice of humble pie should be considered on your part.

If you read the thread you will see that I do not claim to know many things - I am a student of life and in this way learn many things. I do respect the 8N - what my own father drove full time on a farm for two years and, if you read the thread as you claim you do, you will see I did give credence to attributes it does have. My father over the many years he farmed, never bought one. He bought a John Deere R, a John Deere 60, and a Lanz Bulldog etc.. He told me over the years it was a decent tractor just not durable.

John Deere might not be the best at everything, but throwing a thumb into their every eye doesn't make sense either.

So...are wet any dry sleeves the same thing?

Thank you.

 

[sd455dan]

Wet sleeves are exposed (on the outside to the coolant), and have to seal out coolant leakage into the crankcase.
Dry sleeved engines -like my Rhino are (dry) they slide into the machined block but have no rubber seals to worry about leaking- I believe both types have advantages... the wet type are supposed to conduct heat more readily to the coolant- the dry sleeves will not have the possibility of a coolant leak into the crankcase and possibly don't have coolant cavitation degradation of the sleeves...

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Our farm still has a 9N and an 8N. The 9N needs some attention, but with a little TLC it would run and function perfectly fine. The 8N was "farm" restored a couple years ago and looks and runs nicely. Those darn rear wheel seals still leak, however, wreaking havoc with the brakes. The 9N is a '39 (I think) and the 8N is a '46 (I think).

There aren't too many tractors of any brand that are still being used today that are 60+ years old, John Deere included.

 

[murphy1244]

John Deere has on staff engineers designing their oil. They have been doing this for many, many years.

So does Briggs and Harley and Ventrac and Daedong and Honda etc etc etc

 

[LD1]

The 9N is a '39 (I think) and the 8N is a '46 (I think).

serial number would tell for sure, as well as some other identifying changes over the years. But if it is indeed a 1946, it would be a 2n. The 8n's came out in mid-1947:thumbsup:

 

[TomSeller]

LS says their exports are growing at 30% per year...double what many companies are seeing.

Impressive, do you know mainly to which country or countries? I assume the US is one?

 

[GManBart]

If you were to read the thread I spent more time by far pointing out the qualities of John Deere rather than pointing out the deficiencies of a Ford 8N. You are sidestepping many issues and talking of male baldness which may be of interest to some but I cannot converse very well on this topic myself since I know very little about it.

I simply stated a John Deere sleeved engine has a long life. (False, in post #32 you stated an 8N would have to be bored out, where the Deere wouldn't). I had this confirmed by a long time John Deere dealership who told me that unless a Deere engine throws a rod, it can be used over and over. You avoided what I pointed out from your very own article and which you failed to acknowledge and choose to belittle others. (Wrong, I specifically addressed the comments from the article, and clarified the truth that there is NO need to bore out an older engine, but many people choose to do so).

Again with the revisionist history….that isn't what, or how it happened. The only one sidestepping issues is you. This thread was about loader specs. You stated that a Deere loader would last longer than a Kubota loader, and listed a number of "improvements" that the Deere had which would cause that to be true. I pointed out that this was patently false because there are loaders without those features still in operation after 50+ years, so we don't really know the service life limits. You're simply guessing, and apparently listening to every word your dealer tells you as though it's gospel.

Speaking of talking through a hat, you are dead wrong my friend. John Deere has on staff engineers designing their oil. They have been doing this for many, many years. They are on staff and if you want to confirm, travel to your nearest John Deere dealership and ask. Then a small slice of humble pie should be considered on your part.

Right, the guy at the local dealer actually knows who, and what specific kinds of engineers are on staff…yeah, sure. Having a lubricant engineer spec out the requirements they want/need for their oils is an entirely different set of skills, and technology than engineering an oil to meet certain requirements, and then making it. The two are only somewhat related. The chances that Deere actually pays someone who can engineer the oil…how to mix, and blend it, to meet a certain standard is about zero….it would be stupid.

John Deere might not be the best at everything, but throwing a thumb into their every eye doesn't make sense either.

So...are wet any dry sleeves the same thing?

You misunderstand. I didn't say Deere makes a bad product, I said your inflated claims that a Deere loader will last longer than a Kubota loader is baseless, and very likely completely wrong.

Wet and dry sleeves aren't the exact same thing, but they are both sleeves. Both have their place, and both have advantages to them. Dry sleeves tend to be less expensive, and in older machines like the tractors we're talking about, transfer heat nearly as efficiently as wet sleeves. They do tend to be a bit harder to replace. Wet sleeves cost more, but transfer heat a bit more efficiently, can have coolant sealing issues, and can be prone to cavitation failure because they're nowhere near as massive as the block wall, and liner of a dry sleeved engine. That's just the nutshell version…again, they both have their place. Modern dry sleeves are different, being made out of alloyed materials, and there are now even some hybrid dry/wet sleeves being used.

 

[GManBart]

Impressive, do you know mainly to which country or countries? I assume the US is one?

Yes, the U.S. is definitely one, and they say they've sold 40,000 units in North America since 2009. I know they sell them in Canada, but I'm not sure about Mexico. A year or so ago they built a factory in China to handle that market, so it sounds like that has been one of their primary export destinations as well. In October they completed a factory in Brazil, saying that Central and South America were significantly expanding markets. It would be interesting to see how many units they've sold to NH, and Case, but I doubt anybody would let that get published. I do think there was a press release about a number of NH units, but I don't recall how specific it was. An older, interesting article about some of the NH/Case/LS deal: CORRECTION LS Mtron Does Not Produce Kioti Tractors - Farm Equipment

There is also some information suggesting that it's really a two-way street, and LS is selling Case/NH/Fiat machines under LS markings in Korea:LS-New Holland TD90DC - Tractor & Construction Plant Wiki - The classic vehicle and machinery wiki

All very interesting stuff!

 

[Dizno]

BTW, the chances that Deere actually engineers their own oils, and fluids, is about zero. Winchester doesn't engineer, or make, their own gunpowder, and Deere doesn't engineer, or make their own oil....they pay it

Did you go to Deere.com, Parts, Lubricants, Coolants & Greases and review what it says?

Every lubricant we offer is developed by expert John Deere engineers...

Thank you. Again proof of the fact that not all things were designed equal. But then there are those who have an inkling what engineering is and those that don't. I respect brand integrity and engineering professionalism.