John Deere Technical Manual Issue

[texstrk426]

JD5210;

Thanks for that link to selectmanuals.com! I just ordered a copy of the technical manual for my 5105. In my work life I was a EE and know the importance of accurate information. I still had the print-out of the fuel tank assembly view and its parts list from the time I bought a new fuel tank sending unit. The parts ordering feature of John Deere's website allows printing of the same information as I already had plus everything else that Deere lists on their tractors.

The manual will provide detailed information on any system I need to check. Thanks a lot!

 

[Quebecguy]

I strongly suspect the first filter at the output of the tank is stopped up with crud. /QUOTE]

Although JD Parts shows that filter as being near the output of the tank, on my tractor it is located at the rear of the engine near the valve cover. That is where it was when I bought the tractor new. I am curious to hear where it is located on your tractor. I don't think there is any mention of this filter in the Owners/Operators manual.

 

[texstrk426]

I will let you know. Tomorrow I plan to turn on my air compressor and blow away all the dirt and dust in the engine compartment area. There is a major build-up on the valve cover area. Once I can get a good view of it I should be able to see the filter if it is in that area. If not, then perhaps it is near the fuel tank.

 

[Spanner]

Spanner;
As it turned out I just received a call from a technician from my dealer where I had tentatively scheduled a service call. I described the symptoms to him and what I had done (which included disconnecting the air cleaner while it was struggling to stay running) and between the two of us I have decided to undertake checking the outflow of the tank. I strongly suspect the first filter at the output of the tank is stopped up with crud. This all started after I had allowed the fuel to get down to just under 1/4 of a tank on the gauge and the tank was refilled. There must have been sediment in the bottom of the tank that got stirred up. Another factor was that I had been mowing on some very rough terrain that sloshed the fuel around in the tank when it was low.

That little strainer filter gets missed many times because most techs just work on what they can see in the engine bay. Crimp the hose before you take it off and you can drain fuel into your containers in a controlled manner. If you have a paper or stocking gauze to use in a funnel you might be interested in what comes with the diesel.

Since I have two empty fuel containers I can use those to catch any fuel that comes out of the tank. The RE60021 filter is labeled as being the last fuel filter, so there is one more. I do have my Operator's Manual and I always save all papers associated with maintenance. I had to replace the fuel gauge sending unit a couple of years ago. There is a slight leak at the spot where the gauge sending unit was installed. I am going to try cleaning out the tank and get a new first filter. I may go ahead and get a new section of fuel line too and put all new parts in and re-bleed the fuel lines at the final fuel filter and the injector pump one more time. I think it will solve the problem. I will report back on the results. I will be working the issue Thursday and Friday. I am not as fast as I used to be at 74, so it takes me longer to do anything I undertake. I still like to do my own repairs.

74!! You're doing great. Stay active!
The RE60021 is labeled "Final Filter" only because it is often fitted in tandem with a water seperator and side-by-side. So to make it easy for Techs to be sure they go in the correct order (The filter heads are similar) one is labeled "Water Seperator" and the other is "Final Filter". You only have the one. The primary 'filter' is that strainer.

Thanks for the mention of the CD version of the tractor technical manual. I used to always buy service manuals for all my cars except for my last one which is a 2007 Azera and too difficult for me to work on due to my physical limitations now. It goes to the dealer for service. I cannot stay bent over the low engine compartment to work on it anymore. The tractor is different. I can stand up and work on it or lie down underneath without too much difficulty.

I hear you on the bending low thing. I avoid working on cars if I can.

Forums like this are a real help to those of us who do not work on our tractors frequently. For the most part this tractor has been pretty trouble free, so I can't complain about that aspect of ownership. It has been an excellent quality product. Life in the country would not be very friendly without it.

They're a nice tractor, good size and easy to work around.
Your fuel tank should look like this (No cab?) and the strainer is #29:

 

[Spanner]

I strongly suspect the first filter at the output of the tank is stopped up with crud.

Although JD Parts shows that filter as being near the output of the tank, on my tractor it is located at the rear of the engine near the valve cover. That is where it was when I bought the tractor new. I am curious to hear where it is located on your tractor. I don't think there is any mention of this filter in the Owners/Operators manual.

Can you post a pic of this filter you have pls?

 

[texstrk426]

Quebecguy;
I believe you are right about the location of the primary filter. I don't think it would be underneath the tractor due to the possibility of brush and weeds raking against it and damaging it. I have to occasionally replace some of the cable ties that secure hydraulic lines to the tractor frame or the arms of the front end loader to help keep them protected. One day I will have to get hydraulic lines replaced. They are still all original from the purchase date of the tractor. Fortunately the tractor remains in the barn when not being used, so sunlight exposure and weathering is reduced.

I certainly have enough brush to deal with here. We have Mesquite trees which come up like weeds and I have to keep them cut down so that they don't get out of control. Once they get of sufficient size I can go back and using the front end loader and a chain wrapped around the base pull them up roots and all. Then a little salt and some diesel on the spot kills the rest of the roots. One of my neighbors has cattle and every few years has to have a bull dozier come out and scrape the Mesquite trees up and into a pile for burning. Otherwise they suck up too much moisture from the soil and diminish the amount of grass for the cattle. Mesquite trees can send down roots to at least 100ft. or more to reach a permanent source of water.

 

[texstrk426]

On the issue of posting images, what are the resolution and overall size restrictions for images on the forum? I looked for FAQ information and did not see a link to that type of information.

 

[Quebecguy]

Can you post a pic of this filter you have pls?

Here is a link to a picture of that filter. The filter seems to be the same thing that we all used to change every year on our Chevy/Ford/Dodge back in the sixties.
John Deere In-line Fuel Strainer - RE22719

 

[beenthere]

tex
About your mesquite, might find the TurboSaw for the 3 ph of interest. I first noticed this attachment on TBN and ended up buying one to take down spruce trees and other brush. Thread about it here.
Very handy and well built piece of equipment. IMO

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/john-deere-owning-operating/381752-turbosaw-jd-4300-a.html

 

[texstrk426]

beenthere;
That ought to get the job done.:dance1: So far the mowing attachment I have has taken care of the trees I have had to deal with (John Deere version of BrushHog). However I will keep it in mind.

Quebecguy;
As it turned out, my 5105 does not even have an extra filter between the fuel tank and the RE60021 filter!:duh: Perhaps the assembly line ran out and hooked it direct. There is a single piece fuel hose all the way from the tank to the filter at the cut-off valve to the RE60021 filter. It has never been replaced since I bought the tractor from the dealer and has never been in the shop for repairs either.

I removed the 11mm bolts that hold the cowl top/side partitions to gain easier access to the area where the hose meets the RE60021 filter input. Otherwise even dealing with the aircraft type clamp on the hose there would have been impossible with the tools I have. Now the rest of the job will be much easier. I think I will get the extra fuel filter and put it in-line ahead of the RE60021 filter. It certainly can't hurt to have more filtering.