just back from repair hydro adjustment out??

[copperhead1967]

Started a new thread because I need some quick answers. I picked up my BX22 from the dealer today. It was in for a hydro unit replacement. Sent her in without the BH and FEL to hopefully save a few buck in labor, I was wrong there see my last thread.
Anyways I do the normal thing at the dealer. Drive it around, Hi and Low as well as 2 and 4WD. All the lights work, runs like new.
Great so far. I jockey up to the FEL to put it back on once home. Get it on without too much hassle. Then the fun begins.
FEL is real slow and jerky to raise up and down. Roll and Dump work great.
No problem just bleed the air out I say to myself. Do the normal thing, seems to work better in all directions but going up now. I cruise over to the gravel pile to see if she will lift, half a bucket and she won't even attempt to lift it.
Rain storm hits I go inside and ponder the issue. Go back out and reseat connections. No help.
Figure I'll try the BH. Back up and hook up hoses. Use outriggers to raise it up to correct height to roll it in to place. TRY to roll her forward and BH does nothing. No left or Right No Curl. Stabilizers wont go down. Then I look at 3PH and mower deck they are down and wont raise up either. Fluid level is OK actually a little high. Seems to me something isn't pumping right. I checked the conrol valce for the 3PH too. No help. Any ideas before I call the dealer. After the last repair I'm tapped out and trust this guy as far a my FEl would throw him.

 

[OrangeBeast]

I see you must have read my reply to your other post as who would think about light. I sure did not when I got mine. So neither you Fel of BH work right? Sounds like an issue i had not long ago. Check your power beyond connection at the Fel is connected right. I had issues one time and it looked connected ok but was not, but is now!

 

[OrangeBeast]

Hey how did things work out anyways you never updated your other post??

 

[copperhead1967]

Just got back in the house, I disconnected the FEL and BH. Put the FEL and BH loops back on... but the 3PH and mower deck still do not raise. Adjusted speed contol under seat, no change. Should you be able to manually lift and lower (all the way in either direction )the 3PH by hand with little or no resistance?
Then I thought maybe the BH bypass/hookup fitting could be restricted. With the FEL out of the equation it's the only common fitting, since it's used with or without the BH. I couldn't remember if the tractor would actually move with the loop disconnected. Well it does move, so I'm assuming thats not part of the drive hydrolics, so maybe that needs replaced?

Crawled under the tractor and couldn't see anything not hooked up.

Last thing I noticed is the tractor will drift when at idle on a relatively level surface, I though the hydro more or less is supposed to hold the tractor still until you hit the pedal ??

The tractor does still move strong and responsive. There is no whine, just a normal hum sound of fluid going thru the hoses and pipes.

Called Credit card company to hold payment but they said it needs to post first then I can dispute it.....should have wrote a check I guess.
Called the regional manager and he suggested Bob the guy who quit from the dealership could possibly come by and look at it and wouldn't charge me much.... I'm like the same Bob who started this whole mess, are you kidding? I'd have a hole dug for him if the BH worked.::thumbdown:

 

[OrangeBeast]

The thing is no matter what happened at the dealer they should stand behind their work like my dealer is for 3 month! Even tho the idiot that put mine messed up, you should not be charged to get this issue fixed! The regional manager should make it right!

The drifting or crawling is called "creaping" and mine did it when i picked mine up, they fixed it on the spot. Easy adjustment for them.

 

[copperhead1967]

Is the creeping fixed by the hydro adjustment spring? I'm not toucing anything but just wonder if the thing just needs adjustment. I'll work on it a bit more in two days after work. I know theres some kind of priority flow valve too, have to dig into the shop manual. Going to change the BH loop connectors first.
Taking my 78 year old Mom to the ballgame tomorrow night for her birthday. She hasn't been to a game in 20 years and when us "kids" asked her what she wanted, thats what she asked us to do. Too bad the Pirates are on the skids again. Well, it will be a nice break from all these tractor headaches.

Feel free to offer up any things to check in my absence. I'll check back tomorrow at lunch if I can. Really hope it's something I can figure out and not deal with that dealership again or have to pay another dealer to fix. Sort of turned off by the whole dealer experience right now.

 

[timswi]

Creeping is probably a treadle adjustment. A minor thing.

As far as your BH and FEL...I'd go straight to the dealer with that, sounds like something in the pump isn't working right. That's assuming everything worked correctly prior to the repair. Don't wait to long or you could have a "he said, she said" thing happen.

Good luck.

 

[OrangeBeast]

Creeping is probably a treadle adjustment. A minor thing.

As far as your BH and FEL...I'd go straight to the dealer with that, sounds like something in the pump isn't working right. That's assuming everything worked correctly prior to the repair. Don't wait to long or you could have a "he said, she said" thing happen.

Good luck.

I totaly agree 2x

 

[copperhead1967]

All the attachments worked properly when the thing went in. Just couldn't move the beast. I could have towed it around with my truck and dug a trench to the other side of town. Now she moves great but none of the attachments work, not much good but to drive down to the mailbox now.
:confused3:
Is there something that would need calibrated to the new hydro? I did the pressure shim fix years ago but this doesn't seem like a power issue. I have a test rig and can check the pressure but doubt thats going to show anything wrong. The tractor moves strong. Seems more like the fluid isn't being directed where it's needed to the implements. Off to the manuals I go. I am calling the dealership tomorrow to see if he gives a hoot. I already called the regional guy so he's aware too. He's away across the state at the PA Ag fair until Friday but offered to stop by then. Not a mechanic but who knows....

 

[oldnslo]

Did the FEL ever operate smoothly after you installed it? Does it raise at the proper speed when MT? If not you are not getting the flow to the valve.

Does the power steering function corrrectly? Again, if not there is a flow issue.

Does the engine change sound when you try to use the hydraulic functions? If no this would also indicate no flow and or pressure being created.

I would not operate the tractor to much until the cause is determined. If the pump is not functioning properly it could lead to more problems and become a real p*ssing contest between you and the dealer.

Roy

 

[moship]

Copperhead1967,

I would be keeping detailed records of the continued problems, time spent/loss on your part and document/record any conversations you have with the dealer. Issue the dealer a bill for your time/effort. Also consider taking a video to show 1st hand the problem you are having with the attachments.

Alert the BBB of your experience. It might help another person from experiencing the same poor service from this dealer. Nothing will likely happen to benefit your situation, but it might help others who are not aware of this site or your experience.

Others have mentioned this, but consider calling the District Attorney's office. Create a clear concise summary of what has transpired, so they can follow along. You might be surprised at what they suggest or at least ask them how to pursue. Act on their recommendation.

Perhaps ask your rep what the dealer license agreement states regarding actual time versus book time. Why does Kubota publish estimated repair times when the licensed authorized dealer does not adhere to them? I am guessing there are guidelines the dealer must follow to maintain their licensing agreement with the parent company. There might even be a conflict resolution procedure they are to follow. If you could find out if they violated the agreement/policy they might be more likely to help.

Recommendations for others:
1) Get quote in writing including what will happen if there are other issues or problems (ex: broken bolt).
2) Record all conversations. (Use your phone or purchase/borrow a small audio recorder)
3) Ask for all old parts back.
4) If problems arise ask them to take a photo/video of the problem and email it.
5) Consult with at least two dealers if time allows.
6) Search the dealer's name for other customer problems including the BBB.
7) If one must pay on actual time, ask who their best repair person is and demand they work on it... Don't want to pay for someone who is inefficient.
8) If possible set a "not to exceed limit"

Tractors are no more difficult to work on than a car/truck and all reputable repair facilities will offer a written quote and notify in advance if deeper issues occur.

 

[jerkyboy]

I would check your control valve. Check your WSM for the procedure.

 

[MattJ]

The forward creep is a minor adjustment and is covered in the manual. I had to do it when I put in the new HST. Looking at the parts diagram for your tractor it looks like you have a flow priority valve as well that splits the flow between the HST/power steering and the implements.

I would check the action of the power steering and PTO to ensure you have flow there. Turn the power steering from lock to lock to check if its slow. You could also have them check the HST charge pressure to ensure thats fine.

Next I would take out the flow priority valve and clean it out and inspect it. It may be stuck closed and therefore only gives flow to the HST. You could check the loader relief pressure as well to confirm you are not getting pressure there. I would ask the dealer to do this no charge since you already paid them very well.

 

[Texas Fella]

Most dealers (and any Kubota part) has a 90 day parts and labor warranty. It seems to me that there is an issue with the hydraulic pump. You HST could still function even with a poor hydro pump because the hst generates it's own flow, as long as it has some minimum charge pressure. I would send it back the the dealer ASAP!

 

[copperhead1967]

It's fixed.
Well, OrangeBeast was sort of right and so was I.
Took half a day early quit from work to change the connector out on the rear BH loop and to be home early to get to ballgame this evening.

My buddy stopped by and we managed to muscle the two halves off and install the new connector. Tried the 3PH ...works. Tried the FEL ...works. Got BH installed and it works. I figured since I had enough power to actually rock the BH into place this time it would work.
I then went to the gravel pile...big cheese...full bucket. Went over to a top soil pile I have thats pretty compacted down and she scooped up a nice pile of dirt.
I was laughing because I was treating her like a new bride on her honeymoon. Going to go easy for first 50 hours. She's been thru alot lately.

Funny thing is I knew that fitting was leaky before she went it. The mechanic stepped outside yesterday and also told me about it and handed me two new couplings. My buddy who was with me said it was kind of odd the way he came out... where no one in the office would see him. At least he was trying to help out.
we'll except for the wallet everythings good. I'm going to give it a good going over and work her a bit. Just waiting on the regional guy to stop by with my free 50 hour service stuff.

 

[OrangeBeast]

Wow that is awsome that you got her all fixed up! Its funny how it can be such simple things that cause such huge issues and confusion!! Bad fitings who would have thought, guess you can kinda laugh now, my issue was one was not going together right because the coller was dirty and could not fully lock down. some PB blaser and problem solved! Take it easy on her and check over everything you can set your eyes and hands on! most of all give youself a good pat on the back!

 

[jerkyboy]

Creeping is probably a treadle adjustment. A minor thing.

As far as your BH and FEL...I'd go straight to the dealer with that, sounds like something in the pump isn't working right. That's assuming everything worked correctly prior to the repair. Don't wait to long or you could have a "he said, she said" thing happen.

Good luck.

Looked up "treadle" in my WSM, no such thing. What should I look for in the WSM that explains the adjustment you're talking about?