Kioti Backhoes

Steve_Miller · Jun 28, 2004

What are the differences between these two backhoes (KB2365 & KB1440) other than the KB1440 has self contained hydraulics? Is there a substantial difference in price, operating speed and digging force? I haven't been able to get on the Kioti website since last Thursday to check these out. Is the KB1440 a new version as well?

Thanks Steve

KiotiJohn · Jun 29, 2004

Steve, Kioti makes the KB2365, KB2375 and KB2385, 6.5ft, 7.5ft, and 8.5ft respectively. I believe you're referring to a loader, an older model maybe, because now they make the KL 1450 and 1470. John

depratt_equip · Jun 29, 2004

The KB1440 is Kiotis older style BH and was made by Rhino. It was and still is the same thing as a Rhino 65A BH. The model that replaced the KB1440 is the KB2365 and is made by Kioti in Korea.

KiotiJohn · Jun 29, 2004

( The KB1440 is Kiotis older style BH and was made by Rhino. It was and still is the same thing as a Rhino 65A BH. The model that replaced the KB1440 is the KB2365 and is made by Kioti in Korea. )
Thanks for the clarification Jon. Model number changes can really confuse. Since the loaders have the 14xx numbers, I figured it was a mix up. From conversations with Kioti, I'm told that the BH is now made in Korea by another manufacturer, not Daedong. Supposedly, there was nothing wrong with the Rhinos, but the comment was, "We got a better BH made for less money." Wouldn't surprise me if they're really made by KMW as are the subframes. John

depratt_equip · Jun 29, 2004

So far I still perfer the Rhino style backhoes over the Kioti. I know for sure KMW only makes the subframes on the BH.

Steve_Miller · Jun 29, 2004

KB2365 uses tractor hydraulics and 1440 has self contained pump, does one have any advantage over the other?

Thanks Steve

depratt_equip · Jun 29, 2004

Both models can use the tractor hydraulics or PTO pump kit. What determines this is what tractor you are putting it on and what your Hyd GPM rate is. For example on the LB1914 you must use the PTO pump kit, but the new CK20's only require a hose kit.

KiotiJohn · Jun 30, 2004

( For example on the LB1914 you must use the PTO pump kit, but the new CK20's only require a hose kit. )
I think maybe using the pump kit would have been a better idea for me as I don't like the contamination possibility of having to hook/unhook my BH to the tractor. I have to be so careful to keep sand and dust out of the system and we all know how hard it can be to keep good, clean conditions. A little dirt can ruin a hyd. pump. John

psuedofarmer · Jun 30, 2004

ordered a DK55 with the KB2385.. there appears to be 2 BHs for this tractor (the other is the KB 2375).

anyone have a BH on their 55? if so, what model and are you pleased with it, or would you rather have another unit?

i'm asking because the dealer is giving me an option to stick with the 2385 or go with another (earlier) kioti model that was manufactured in the US.

thx
pf

Skitch · Jun 30, 2004

the dealer is giving me an option to stick with the 2385 or go with another 

Would going with the option your dealer is offering get you your tractor faster?

psuedofarmer · Jun 30, 2004

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funny you should mention that! this may be the dealer expediting the deal so i can get into the seat - without waiting longer for mounting hardware!

the tractor should have left the factory (well - that depends on who i listen to - was told by the dealer it left yesterday, but the factory said it's shipping tomorrow). and with the tractor, along goes the mounting hardware for the 2385 BH..

whoever said 'patience is a virtue' should be tar-and-feathered.

pf

KiotiJohn · Jun 30, 2004

( anyone have a BH on their 55? if so, what model and are you pleased with it, or would you rather have another unit? )
As you no doubt know, I don't have a DK55, but if I did, I would want the 8.5' BH. So if the other one is 8.5 and it will get you into your tractor faster, I would take it and go dig something. The older Kioti units were just fine from all I've been able to glean, it's just that Kioti found someone they say would make it cheaper. Maybe someone with the older model can tell you about his/hers, but what model number is the dealer offering you? John

DK35vince · Jun 30, 2004

( ordered a DK55 with the KB2385.. there appears to be 2 BHs for this tractor (the other is the KB 2375).

i'm asking because the dealer is giving me an option to stick with the 2385 or go with another (earlier) kioti model that was manufactured in the US. )

Don't go smaller than an 8 1/2' hoe on a 55 (my opinion)
Kioti previously used Rhino backhoes on their tractors.
I run a Rhino 85 (8 1/2' hoe) on my DK 35 and it works very well.

To20Chris · Jul 1, 2004

I have a Rhino 65A with a PTO pump on my LK, and it works great. I can't compare it to the new Kioti replacemant as I have not used that, but from the pictures they're tough to tell apart. I'm betting that the improvements are all to the bottom line!

I really like the PTO pump, for the reasons that John mentioned. The tractor does not even seem to notice the load, and thats with the engine well below 2000RPM most of the time. One of these days I'm going to try running it with the PTO set to the 1000RPM setting, and run the engine at half speed!

bigtractor · Jul 1, 2004

DK55 with a 2385 hoe.

Works great , BUT, the weak link here is the outriggers.
If left stock and per the manual do lift the rear tires off the ground with the out riggers and do not drag the tractor backward or forward with the hoe. You will tear the outriggers out of the base and rip the bottoms off the cylinders.

I recently repaired one and sent pictures to Kioti of the fix and beefing up we did.

I may attach a picture if I have the ability lets see......

Dave [image]http://[/image]

SteveH_CT · Jul 1, 2004

Did the manual say to lift the rear wheels? When I bought mine - while the dealer was going over everything he said that it's a common mistake to totally lift the rear off the ground. To date I've never jacked it up that high while working - I do it just enough to plant the stabilizers firmly. I still get dragged backwards on occasion - but no damage to the tractor has come of it.

Did you use the attach option when you tried getting the picture in your post?

KiotiJohn · Jul 2, 2004

( I may attach a picture if I have the ability lets see......
Dave [image]http://[/image] )
Dave, send the pic to my email and I'll post it for you. John

bigtractor · Jul 2, 2004

Sorry my mind is faster than my fingers.
DO NOT LIFT THE WHEELS

THERE

KiotiJohn · Jul 2, 2004

( Sorry my mind is faster than my fingers.
DO NOT LIFT THE WHEELS )
I know you were just replying to the last post, and didn't direct that at me. I bit my fingers and didn't correct you because I KNEW someone would catch that!! Send me the picture and I'll post it for you. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif John