Kioti dk6010 sehc

[borisvonf]

Found a new kioti dk6010 sehc for sale at the dealer with loader.

This is a new model.

Has 3 cylinder diesel with 57 hp. Loader. 1 rear hydro service. Hydrostatic. Rear lift arm raise and lower service as well as in cab. Lift arms basic (no sliding links) and turn buckle width adjustment (telescopic are add ons). Will change r4 to ag tires and set for 30 inch rows no price change.

Radio is add on. Linked throttle to hydro pedal is add on.

Close out price is $32,000.

With new model I can’t find any reviews and not sure what add ons are really worth it.
I know I would want linked throttle and radio. Add 2nd rear service for tilt and top. Add pat’s easy change to lift arms myself.

I plan to trade in my jd 5103 2wd with loader as I NEED 4wd and really WANT a cab (a/c!).

I have a jd 5500 that I will keep for heavy plowing and rough bush hogging. This tractor will be for flail mower, gravel drive maintenance, row planting (2 row planter), row crop spraying (cab will be super nice to not get the mist of roundup as I turn into the wind), rock and dirt moving, smoothing harrow preplant, trail clearing, hay feeding, yard work, etc. Hydro transmission will be huge a benefit for all jobs.

I know price looks good in general for cab and loader tractor with hst. The dealer that has it has great reputation for service after sale. I am worried about buying a new model, but it is really old parts put together differently.

Tier 4 but no def only filter.

Please tell me what I am not thinking about.

 

[CMV]

Seems a bit is missing...when I was shopping earlier this year I kinda skipped the DK since the HST version wasn't yet available, but very nice size overall, great specs, good warranty, good operator platform layout (open station - wasn't shopping cabs). BUT - from what I remember - the SE variant included as standard mostly/everything that a CK series SE variant had. Side mirrors, floor mat, linked pedal, telescoping 3pt, etc.

What you are describing really sounds like a basic DK with some of the SE upgrades - or the a la carte options all selected as add-ons to a standard DK. I could be remembering wrong and there were slight differences to what the SE package offered over standard on both series. But I thought they were mostly the same upgrades. But of those upgrades, only a few weren't available as a la carte upgrades to a standard machine. Tilt steering wheel for example I remember as being one of the SE upgrades you couldn't just add on as a stand alone upgrade. But since the DK HST was not available to see when I was shopping, Kioti might just be calling ALL DK with HST an "SE" so the "SE" part really means nothing on that particular configuration? Hard to say since their model # nomenclature can be hard to follow and their website not so hot for model comparison.

From what you describe, I'd compare a 47hp machine as well. Mine is 45 and I don't feel like I'm "missing 15 hp", but you might be intending to run >6' implements or something.

....flail mower, gravel drive maintenance, row planting (2 row planter), row crop spraying (cab will be super nice to not get the mist of roundup as I turn into the wind), rock and dirt moving, smoothing harrow preplant, trail clearing, hay feeding, yard work, etc. Hydro transmission will be huge a benefit for all jobs.

Agree on the HST being nice for most of that stuff. If linked pedal is an upcharge would be a tough call there. From that list of tasks, you'd only want linked pedal (maybe) for dirt moving, possibly feeding. I use mine a lot for general loader work and running down the road to gas station. But for grading, tilling, bush hogging, digging, ripping, etc, it's not useful. Since you can control your speed with HST pedal anyway and you want generally higher than necessary engine rpm than minimum needed to keep DPF hotter that makes linked pedal nice to have at times, but not something most would call "necessary". You'll also read some negative comments on linked pedal since it does tend to push to max engine rpm often - if you were manually setting the throttle and just varying speed with HST pedal, you probably wouldn't be wide open as often or as long as linked pedal takes you there. i.e. if I'm running down the road (~1/2 mile) to get fuel and using linked pedal, I'm at WOT most of the way. If I don't have linked pedal engaged, I'd be at less than WOT probably around same engine rpm for 540 PTO speed. Machine doesn't really seem to just run down the road noticeably faster at either of those engine rpm's, so to me, no sense in being at WOT. Moving a dirt pile or something that's lot of little movements, it is very nice to have. Can keep engine rpm high enough for good loader response but not droning high rpm all the time. Then it just picks up speed for you as needed moving that scoop to where it needs to go and then back to the pile.

The Kioti telescoping 3pt arms are pretty nice. I think they were a pretty small upcharge at time of purchase for a standard model. I want to say around $300ish. I'd consider that $ well spent and also go with the OEM ones just for the warranty coverage. TnT up to you - I just went with the 1 rear remote mine came with standard and use a hyd toplink. My right lift cylinder has a hand crank to adjust horizontal level. While not nearly as convenient as a hydraulic, it's still much better than a turnbuckle. If the DK has that style you could save the $ for the extra remote and tilt cylinder. Depends on how often you change that angle in your normal day-to-day. I rarely do since level is what I want most of the time, so just the toplink is sufficient.

If I had a cab and wanted a radio, would probably use the dealer-installed factory option there too. Again, just so it's "their problem" if it doesn't work right in 6 months. But depends on the upcharge for it and how difficult the install looked to be. I'm sure a basic aftermarket car radio and pair of speakers would be pretty inexpensive.

 

[CMV]

Oh...I missed the CAT1 vs CAT2 3pt. The 60hp machine gives you CAT2 & the smaller don't so maybe my suggestion for getting price on 47HP doesn't apply if you need CAT2.

 

[borisvonf]

Thanks for excellent advice.
I didn稚 think about set rpm being useful but for running pto need nonlinked throttle.
I have pat痴 easy change on my big tractor and was thinking of using that on this machine but still debating as the telescopic lift arms come as add on package with telescopic sway bars. Has turn buckle sway bars now. Any opinions on that?

Again thanks for thoughtful reply.

 

[woolyAcres]

@borisvonf- I don't like the turn-buckle stabilizers. Not sure what the up-charge is to get the telescopic ones but our NH TC45 and the Kioti RX7320 both have the adjustable ones that use a pin to hold the sway arms in place. MUCH better in my opinion than the turn buckle style that were on my little YM240D or currently on my AC TTR4400. Not that it's one or the other (in fact it sounds like it might be both or none) but if you've got the Pat's easy change system I'd opt for the telescoping stabilizers over the extendable lift arms, since that would effectively address both items.

 

[LouNY]

Just a point to ponder on.
You mentioned spraying, check how expensive and easy it is to change the air filters.
There have been concerns with spray contaminating the filters and continual giving you a low dose.
You mentioned planting, does your planter have a one way cylinder needing float in the valve to work properly?
I wouldn't be concerned with the "factory" radio, I would rather provide the dealer with a radio and speakers
to have him install, the factory speakers quite often are pretty poor.
I am not an audiophile by any means but just being able to hear and understand the words may require a better speaker
then factory. Also, I would want my radio to have weather band and be Bluetooth compatible with my phone.
Much easier to carry on a conversation while working with it. I am contemplating replacing my "factory" Kenwood for that reason.
I don't have the Pat's on my tractor but it does have the euro type hooks which I like more then a quick hitch. It's easier to access the pto.
As on page 4 of this pdf.
http://media.walterscheid-coupler.de/mediaserver/productinfos/GKN_Walterscheid_TAS_GB_latest.pdf

 

[CMV]

I'm not familiar with the Pat's product. Do you still need perfect distance from arm-to-implement pin with that? Although the telescopic lift arms don't move out all that much - just a few inches - it's enough that you don't have to be parked perfectly straight or perfect distance away. Since having a machine with those I no longer have to "budge" the bushhog around kicking the tailwheel fork, fight the tiller that wants to roll around on it's tines (I managed to break the kickstand on day 1 ), and stuff like that. Other than backing up and getting too close, I can just unpin the stabilizers, extend the arms, and just be reasonably close. Changing out stuff on the 3pt is just a whole lot faster and much less effort. Especially something like a ballast box which is very difficult to just lean into and "budge" to line up. Just move the arms to it and easy.

My last tractor, I could just stand next to it and hit an HST pedal with my hand to move it a few inches. Not the safest of acts, but could simply make a slight repositioning move without jumping on/off. No way to do that with the Kioti with all it's safety interlocks and a bigger machine to hop on/off. So not needing to reposition the tractor is just a huge timesaver and convenience.

If I had to choose only 1 (and don't have a quick hitch or the Pat's product you linked) I would take the telescopic stabilizers & lift arms over the linked pedal feature. Both are nice, but I would miss the 3pt convenience more.

Another potential upgrade is the suspension seat. I don't remember what a standard DK came with or if the SE (on non-HST) had a better one. But the suspension seat on the NX is much better than say a CK. If you can get the same (or very similar) seat as the NX that might be worth checking out too. If your land is all smooth no big deal. I have very uneven ground with lots of ruts, washboard, etc. and that seat really absorbs a lot so I don't have to.

 

[borisvonf]

Thanks for the idea of suspension seat ; I really like the one on my small John Deere and makes a huge difference compared to the one without. I test drove on flat lot at the dealer so didn’t notice any bumps. My farm is definitely hilly and rocky so no smooth rides anywhere and suspension seat would definitely be worth it for my bad back.

My farm is full of love rocks (because they are f#@xxxg everywhere). Hope no one is offended, but I love that joke especially when setting fence posts.

 

[Tigershark]

I looked at the new DKs before I found my NX, I was really surprised that everything was add on like telescopic arms, stabilizers, linked pedal etc. all things that people would want standard