Kioti - Good, Bad or Indifferent

[Hard]

TBN wouldn't let me post my last response.
So be it.
I will now join Kioti John in exile.
Tom

I wish you all the best with your tractor and that loader dodgeram. Good luck.

 

[IslandTractor]

Can't we just get along? Maybe it is time to try a general amnesty so interested ex TBNers (self exiled or banished ) could rejoin. So long as we are not bickering constantly there is a lot to be learned from "warm" debates. Indeed, I think those types of discussions add a lot more to the fabric of TBN than the "which knob turns on the lights?" or "how many horse power for 10 acres" questions/answers or the fanatical debates on brands/oils etc.

I think it would help if we each took responsiblity for playing different roles periodically. Critics become mediators; enthusiasts accept that the home team is not always right; everyone tries to ignore or turn the other cheek to perceived slights and aims to be polite in debate. Kudos to Bob S. for a balanced post pointing out Neil's transgression/exaggerations in this thread. Yet, that doesn't mean a pile on is justified. Maybe just a simple "yep" if you agree and Neil will eventually get the message. Remember team, here are nasty green, red and blue things crawling around out there. We Orange tractor types need to stick together (even if black buckets are way way cooler than orange ones).

 

[tractorhill]

We have sold over 75 KL120 and Kl130 Loader we have NOT have the FIRST
incident of cracked loader frame so I think if we have a Problem I would seen at least one crack

 

[IslandTractor]

Tractorhill,

Have you checked under the plates of 75 loaders? There is no way to know about the cracking without removing the inspection plate.

 

[depratt_equip]

Just got thru replacing all the bolts that hold the 1450 loader on my DK35. The book that came with the loader and tractor{new} called for 6 on a side. After pulling the whole frame we could find only 3 12x60's on each side {part #0569-2362} Can any of you dealers tell me how to find where the other 8 14x40s {#0549-2396} THAT ARE SHOWN IN MY BOOK GO?? . This is the same loader that the dealer would not take in trade for a new Rhino. The tractor is great but the loader is a 4000 Dollar boat anchor. bcs

Give me a call and I can tell you where those go. Also let me know what you are having problems with. We sell Rhino too and they honestly don't perform any better than the Kioti.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Can't we just get along? Maybe it is time to try a general amnesty so interested ex TBNers (self exiled or banished ) could rejoin. So long as we are not bickering constantly there is a lot to be learned from "warm" debates.

Wow, Yea I can agree to let this die. I did not intend to start a fire storm here, just point out that this should not be brushed off as a non-issue. If it where me and I wanted a Kioti I'd just get an aftermarket loader from someone else.


For the record, the seat bolt issue on the TC's was very isolated, a handful of units at most. The problem with the joints on the hydraulic coolers and batteries that boiled over was much more wide spread, and yes - I do tell my customers to watch for these problems on their machines. The B3030 moving in gear is a non-issue in my mind, frankly I hate all the safty switches on these newer tractors. We just had two reports of BX plastic floor boards cracking - funny thing is that shortly after you started reading about this on TBN Kubota had already posted that they knew it was a problem, a fix is happening on the assembly line, and all cracked fenders are being replaced under warrenty with a new fender thats thicker and has ribbing under it. Seems to me that they must have known this was a problem and fixed it before it even started showing up online.

 

[tractorhill]

Tractorhill,

Have you checked under the plates of 75 loaders? There is no way to know about the cracking without removing the inspection plate.

Yes, Every time one come in for service. I have not look at all but the ones that we see has no cracks

 

[IslandTractor]

Yes, Every time one come in for service. I have not look at all but the ones that we see has no cracks

That is interesting. When we collected data on TBN by asking owners to post once they had checked, there were something like 11 reports by TBN users by mid June. Estimate that as 20% positive (cracked) responses as I recall with a sample size of about 30-50 active CK20/CK30 owners who participate in these posts. I haven't gone back to the original posts so those are ballpark figures but 11/50 is statistically very different from 0/75.

So, maybe the loaders in Virginia are different or maybe this is a batch issue that did not affect your customers. Or, if you haven't inspected all 75 yet maybe you'll find some too. I think the main point is that there are a fairly large proportion of loaders with user documented cracks. We don't need to rehash the whole debate. While we are all waiting "patiently" for Kioti's fix, I think you are doing the right thing to pull off the inspection plate and check each of your customers as they come into the shop.

 

[crk133]

That is interesting. When we collected data on TBN by asking owners to post once they had checked, there were something like 11 reports by TBN users by mid June. Estimate that as 20% positive (cracked) responses as I recall with a sample size of about 30-50 active CK20/CK30 owners who participate in these posts. I haven't gone back to the original posts so those are ballpark figures but 11/50 is statistically very different from 0/75.

So, maybe the loaders in Virginia are different or maybe this is a batch issue that did not affect your customers. Or, if you haven't inspected all 75 yet maybe you'll find some too. I think the main point is that there are a fairly large proportion of loaders with user documented cracks. We don't need to rehash the whole debate. While we are all waiting "patiently" for Kioti's fix, I think you are doing the right thing to pull off the inspection plate and check each of your customers as they come into the shop.

or POSSIBLY your sample size was not representative of kioti loaders as a whole.........

 

[Steverino]

Can't we just get along? Maybe it is time to try a general amnesty so interested ex TBNers (self exiled or banished ) could rejoin. So long as we are not bickering constantly there is a lot to be learned from "warm" debates.

I agree, Dodgeram and Kioti John are both great contributors to this forum and their knowledgably input will be missed. I have learn a lot from the discussions that have gone on here, though occasionally they get heated, I would hope that those who are willing and able to express their opinions and share their knowledge will continue to do so in the knowledge that many of the more quiet members appreciate both them and their opinions. Thank You!, for your past participation, I for one hope that we hear more from you in the future. – Steve.