Price Check Kioti vs kubota

[coobie]

Mr5030. Those M9000's are decent little tractors. Neither one of yours would be considered high hours, obviously.

I have a DK90 that has about 2000hrs and I would say it finally feels broken in. I've operated an m9000 and liked it. It's no better than my Kioti, I can assure you.

Every now and then a product comes along that is a bargain for what it is. In 2013, Kioti was that product for me. I saw no obvious difference in quality between my DK90 and an M108S at the time. So I saved 30 grand and bought the Kioti. The Kubota had more power, but had a weird power curve, so it doesn't feel like quite the discrepancy you might imagine. If my Perkins was tuned to 100hp like some of these particular motors are it would be all of that m108 and then some, I believe (a guess). My DK is within a few hundred pounds of that Kubota (which, as usual is light for its size), and very close to the same torque with a flatter power curve.

So I bought it and couldn't be more pleased with it, so far. It only has 2000 hrs. At 4000 I'll know more..

Kubota, like Kioti is barely considered a viable tractor brand in these parts up until recent years when a few have started showing up..

Good post..

 

[Industrial Toys]

Not saying that one is better than the other. But short of determining quality by paint, fit and finish, you can't exactly do metalurgy (sp?) on castings and components. To me, that is where the quality should be. Anyone can make something look the same with cheaper metal and materials, covered by shiny paint. You see it every day in tools. All the better, if they can duplicate some recognisable product.

 

[holeycow]

So; what are you trying to say?

 

[Industrial Toys]

That quality can't just be judged entirely by looking at something. Only time will tell the whole story.

 

[sixdogs]

That quality can't just be judged entirely by looking at something. Only time will tell the whole story.

For a CliffNotes version of any given model, I have learned to look at resale prices. This figures in everything owners and potential owners consider a part of value and price. That way the market tells what is the better value in the eyes of those paying for them, all things considered. There are all kinds of situations and exemptions but that gives me my first blush of comparison and takes out brand bashing.

There is an argument in financial valuations that all things are priced at the exact same level (value, not price) when all known risks and rewards are considered. One at 100% and another at 120% reflects anticipated risks or rewards by buyers and that when all these things are considered, the value is exactly the same even though the prices are different.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I bet, there are a myriad of tests and QC proceedures that DEERE for instance does, that are totally absent with some brands. Does this affect the end product? Probably.

I know I can buy a shiny new Indian Lister Knockoff, that are reported to have sand still in the castings and scrap carboard shims in various places to make the thing run. That can hardly be compared to an original Lister Engine. But hey, they look EXACLTY the same!

 

[murphy1244]

I bet, there are a myriad of tests and QC proceedures that DEERE for instance does, that are totally absent with some brands. Does this affect the end product? Probably.

I know I can buy a shiny new Indian Lister Knockoff, that are reported to have sand still in the castings and scrap carboard shims in various places to make the thing run. That can hardly be compared to an original Lister Engine. But hey, they look EXACLTY the same!

You and 6 dogs are funny. You're commenting on a tractor you have never owned or operated but I and others are to believe your expert opinions. Well you know about opinions don't you? .

 

[Industrial Toys]

No I am not commenting on a particular tractor at all. But I can be fairly certain that HF tools don't have the same manufacturing and QC process as SNAP ON tools. Just for instance. I'm almost certain tractors are no different and probably much worse as there are far more corners to cut. Like I said in all fairness. Time will tell, but you never seem to understand that part of what I said.

Once, almost fifty years ago, we did buy a shiny new off brand tractor that looked just like the North American Tractor. Both were licensed by FIAT, but we bought the Romanian one because it came with FREE power steering, a bunch of other FREE stuff and a whole bunch of tools. The hydraulics and electrics on that tractor were not up to NA standards, but hey, it looked nice. In hindsight we should have bought the MF 135 that we wee also looking at. It probably would have been of higher quality and given us way more for trade in, especially for a tractor in showroom condition.

You know, if some guy posts, I love my Blah Blah Blah tractor, I would never say a word. But, in a public forum or discussion of people asking opinions, anything has to be expected and accepted.

 

[murphy1244]

No I am not commenting on a particular tractor at all. But I can be fairly certain that HF tools don't have the same manufacturing and QC process as SNAP ON tools. Just for instance. I'm almost certain tractors are no different and probably much worse as there are far more corners to cut. Like I said in all fairness. Time will tell, but you never seem to understand that part of what I said.

Once, almost fifty years ago, we did buy a shiny new off brand tractor that looked just like the North American Tractor. Both were licensed by FIAT, but we bought the Romanian one because it came with FREE power steering, a bunch of other FREE stuff and a whole bunch of tools. The hydraulics and electrics on that tractor were not up to NA standards, but hey, it looked nice. In hindsight we should have bought the MF 135 that we wee also looking at. It probably would have been of higher quality and given us way more for trade in, especially for a tractor in showroom condition.

You know, if some guy posts, I love my Blah Blah Blah tractor, I would never say a word. But, in a public forum or discussion of people asking opinions, anything has to be expected and accepted.

You are comparing HF 'Kioti to Snap -on "Kubota"? How bout Mac to Snap-on???? There are many here that are quite happy with their machines and have thousands of hours. But I do agree Kubota will fetch more on trade in and they should. They cost more. I am now D...U...N... with this thread and now you can have they last word:confused3::dance1:

 

[coobie]

No I am not commenting on a particular tractor at all. But I can be fairly certain that HF tools don't have the same manufacturing and QC process as SNAP ON tools. Just for instance. I'm almost certain tractors are no different and probably much worse as there are far more corners to cut. Like I said in all fairness. Time will tell, but you never seem to understand that part of what I said.

Once, almost fifty years ago, we did buy a shiny new off brand tractor that looked just like the North American Tractor. Both were licensed by FIAT, but we bought the Romanian one because it came with FREE power steering, a bunch of other FREE stuff and a whole bunch of tools. The hydraulics and electrics on that tractor were not up to NA standards, but hey, it looked nice. In hindsight we should have bought the MF 135 that we wee also looking at. It probably would have been of higher quality and given us way more for trade in, especially for a tractor in showroom condition.

You know, if some guy posts, I love my Blah Blah Blah tractor, I would never say a word. But, in a public forum or discussion of people asking opinions, anything has to be expected and accepted.

Thats why I buy Koblat tools.LMAO.Pic of my Fiat junk.

 

[paulfun9]

I bet, there are a myriad of tests and QC proceedures that DEERE for instance does, that are totally absent with some brands. Does this affect the end product? Probably.

I know I can buy a shiny new Indian Lister Knockoff, that are reported to have sand still in the castings and scrap carboard shims in various places to make the thing run. That can hardly be compared to an original Lister Engine. But hey, they look EXACLTY the same!

For the record my JD was at the shop for repairs 6 times in the first 5 years of ownership from new. On the other hand My Kioti has not been to the shop for repairs at all in he same time frame and has been used a lot more.

 

[Professor Marvel]

The only reason I would get a Kioti over a Kubota is for price difference. You can not go wrong with a Kubota. If price is your main concern go with a Kioti. Probably be fine.

 

[holeycow]

There's a few in this thread that have never owned a Kioti nor probably even operated one (perhaps never even looked at one) yet they attempt to make final judgements on that which they know nothing about.


At least it's amusing..

 

[coobie]

There's a few in this thread that have never owned a Kioti nor probably even operated one (perhaps never even looked at one) yet they attempt to make final judgements on that which they know nothing about.


At least it's amusing..

I have had 2 kioti tractors both have been flawless.I also own Kubota products that have been good machines.I purchase what fits my needs at a decent price.Kioti fit the bill for that.

 

[paulfun9]

The only reason I would get a Kioti over a Kubota is for price difference. You can not go wrong with a Kubota. If price is your main concern go with a Kioti. Probably be fine.

I purchased my Kioti because it was a better tractor than the comparable kubota at the time. Having to pay less for more tractor was just a bonus!

By the way I am a former kubota owner also and that experience wasn’t exactly perfect either.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I too have suffered HUGE disappointment with my "GERMAN" John Deere. I guess what I am trying to say, is getting lost. People are just too defensive of their purchasing decisions. Operating a tractor for five years, doesn't speak for the long term durability of the machine, only the short term. Twenty years from now, I will better be able to say what I think of various tractor brands. I know people running fifty year old tractors everyday, that are as strong as the day they were built. Like Allis Chalmers. But hey, CUTS and SCUTS in particular are really becoming consumer products to a large degree.

 

[paulfun9]

I too have suffered HUGE disappointment with my "GERMAN" John Deere. I guess what I am trying to say, is getting lost. People are just too defensive of their purchasing decisions. Operating a tractor for five years, doesn't speak fof the long term durability of the machine, only the short term. Twenty years from now, I will better be able to say what I think of various tractor brands.

Having machines that are over 30 years old puts me in a position to really understand what your saying. Problem for me is none of my kubotas made it even half that long.
Based on my experience with my 30+ year old machines the Kioti is so far showing that it has what it takes to make it and will do so with minimal problems. But since none of us are able to see into the future clearly I will be sure to come back and post if it’s possible in 20 years.

In the mean time you and others will have to just tolerate my short term opinions!

 

[Industrial Toys]

It is another part of the mystery that people don't even think about. So when the thing does finally break, how repairable is it? Is it like a FORD p/u where you have to take off the cab to get at the plugs?

 

[Professor Marvel]

I purchased my Kioti because it was a better tractor than the comparable kubota at the time. Having to pay less for more tractor was just a bonus!

By the way I am a former kubota owner also and that experience wasn’t exactly perfect either.

I get it. You don't like my opinion. Here is a question for you.
If the prices of the Kioti and Kubota had been reversed with the Kioti being the more expensive, would you have still ended up with the Kioti?

 

[coobie]

I get it. You don't like my opinion. Here is a question for you.
If the prices of the Kioti and Kubota had been reversed with the Kioti being the more expensive, would you have still ended up with the Kioti?

YUP..More tractor for $$ spent when I was shopping back in 2012.