IslandTractor
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- Prudence Island, RI
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- 2007 Kioti DK40se HST, Woods BH
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The thing that bothers me most about Kioti is the fact they have not been around for very long in the states. )</font>
Correct. Same statement is true of Kubota in 1990, Toyota in 1975 etc etc. Kioti is not a new company but they have not been importing to the USA that long. Nonetheless, they have built infrastructure over the past decade and are moving on a trajectory that is steadily upwards. Pretty much exactly the situation Kubota was in a couple of decades ago.
Some people may not want to risk the equivalent of buying a Toyota in 1975 so will avoid such purchases (and buy GM /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif). Others look at the basic product, company history, local dealer, and make different decisions. Anyone doing their due diligence in purchasing a tractor understands that JD, NH and Kubota are the best established brands just like Ford, GM and Chrysler were in the auto industry 30 years ago. No one is hiding the fact that Kiotis are built in Korea. If you don't like foreign tractors then buy a.....PowerTrac (which has a very reliable foreign powerplant)!! If you need a dealer next door that should come into your decision making. To each his own...
One last point, there are a very few individuals on this board who get a twist in their panties every time someone else advocates for a Kioti. That ususally starts one of these pissing contests that really do no one any good. Yeah the Kioti crowd are enthusiastic, so what? They do not (as Dargo implies) form the majority of users on TBN (Kubota posts out number Kioti posts by six to one, "Big Three" posts to TBN out numer Kioti posts by twelve to one). Kioti users, like Power Trac users, may indeed use this board proportionately more than other brand users. Fine, that's who make up the TBN community. People who run to the dealer for every question and oil change may well be underrepresented here and those folks are likely to be disproportionately JD and Kubota customers who like turn key operations. This board seems populated with do-it-yourselfers and folks willing to step outside the protective bubble of the big 3.
There is nothing overwhelmingly either in favor of or against a Kioti tractor compared to equivalent Big Three models. I doubt anyone buys a Kioti without carefully considering the advantages of a Big 3 alternative. I personally came within a day of buying a Kubota 7510 until I rechecked prices with my local Kioti dealer and stumbled onto a slighted used CK20 that was too good a deal to pass up. If you think all Kioti owners are fools then avoid their advice but I for one did not think the Kioti crowd was naive or unsophisticated about their choices. Indeed, I dare say that the naive and gullible first time buyers (not TBN users /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif) just walk into a JD or Kubota dealership and buy whatever the salesman talks them into. Choosing to buy a Kioti really is like deciding whether to buy a Toyota Corolla in 1975 (or God forbid a Renault, Chevy Nova, or Ford Pinto /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif). As the man says, you pays your money and takes your chances.
Instead of ragging on the Kioti, disgruntled Big Three advocates should try their fire and brimstone preaching on the Chinese tractor section and try to set those folks right. However, I'd put money on the proposition that one of those Chinese companies (if I knew which I'd buy stock /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) is going to dominate the whole CUT market in the next twenty five years. I wonder if the Big 3 will still be marketing Japanese built CUTs at that point.
Correct. Same statement is true of Kubota in 1990, Toyota in 1975 etc etc. Kioti is not a new company but they have not been importing to the USA that long. Nonetheless, they have built infrastructure over the past decade and are moving on a trajectory that is steadily upwards. Pretty much exactly the situation Kubota was in a couple of decades ago.
Some people may not want to risk the equivalent of buying a Toyota in 1975 so will avoid such purchases (and buy GM /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif). Others look at the basic product, company history, local dealer, and make different decisions. Anyone doing their due diligence in purchasing a tractor understands that JD, NH and Kubota are the best established brands just like Ford, GM and Chrysler were in the auto industry 30 years ago. No one is hiding the fact that Kiotis are built in Korea. If you don't like foreign tractors then buy a.....PowerTrac (which has a very reliable foreign powerplant)!! If you need a dealer next door that should come into your decision making. To each his own...
One last point, there are a very few individuals on this board who get a twist in their panties every time someone else advocates for a Kioti. That ususally starts one of these pissing contests that really do no one any good. Yeah the Kioti crowd are enthusiastic, so what? They do not (as Dargo implies) form the majority of users on TBN (Kubota posts out number Kioti posts by six to one, "Big Three" posts to TBN out numer Kioti posts by twelve to one). Kioti users, like Power Trac users, may indeed use this board proportionately more than other brand users. Fine, that's who make up the TBN community. People who run to the dealer for every question and oil change may well be underrepresented here and those folks are likely to be disproportionately JD and Kubota customers who like turn key operations. This board seems populated with do-it-yourselfers and folks willing to step outside the protective bubble of the big 3.
There is nothing overwhelmingly either in favor of or against a Kioti tractor compared to equivalent Big Three models. I doubt anyone buys a Kioti without carefully considering the advantages of a Big 3 alternative. I personally came within a day of buying a Kubota 7510 until I rechecked prices with my local Kioti dealer and stumbled onto a slighted used CK20 that was too good a deal to pass up. If you think all Kioti owners are fools then avoid their advice but I for one did not think the Kioti crowd was naive or unsophisticated about their choices. Indeed, I dare say that the naive and gullible first time buyers (not TBN users /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif) just walk into a JD or Kubota dealership and buy whatever the salesman talks them into. Choosing to buy a Kioti really is like deciding whether to buy a Toyota Corolla in 1975 (or God forbid a Renault, Chevy Nova, or Ford Pinto /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif). As the man says, you pays your money and takes your chances.
Instead of ragging on the Kioti, disgruntled Big Three advocates should try their fire and brimstone preaching on the Chinese tractor section and try to set those folks right. However, I'd put money on the proposition that one of those Chinese companies (if I knew which I'd buy stock /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) is going to dominate the whole CUT market in the next twenty five years. I wonder if the Big 3 will still be marketing Japanese built CUTs at that point.
