Kioti vs Kubota

[IslandTractor]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( Dargo dislikes Kioti's no matter how you slice it. )</font>

We've lost enough members because of Kioti obsession. )</font>

Agree completely!!

 

[Dargo]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Dargo,

I hope things work out. I took advantage of just such a deal and have not regretted it for a moment. )</font>

I'm obviously working along that same path. As you can see in this thread however, a few on TBN have done more to "un-sell" me on Kioti than anything else. Gmsssi is right on the money too. I did ask questions of him this last summer in private. They had to be asked in private because any concerns about a Kioti here on this board are met with venom and downright hatred.

I'm very picky about my equipment. I won't even buy a tractor that has sat outside on a dealer's lot. If that is the tractor I want, I'll order a new one that has not sat outside for months. In the past, when I've asked questions in public here about issues that I was not sure if they were quality control issues or dealer quality issues, I've been attacked as a Kioti hater. If wanting what I buy to be the best expenditure of my money possible is a quality that makes me a "Kioti-hater", so be it.

Sure, I had my doubts about the brand like most anyone else who has never heard of it, but being met with outright hostility immediately turned me off from the brand, figuring that those people were desperately trying to defend their "wrong" decision to buy one. Fortunately I was able to pick out some of the good features from the guys here who are not from the rabid brain dead pack. I learned quite a bit from those guys and that is why Kioti seems to be at the top of my list for a third tractor that I plan to leave at my other property. There is always a lag time between becoming a quality brand and the price and resale value catching up; kinda like a window of opportunity. It looks like that time is now for Kioti.

That's the way I see it and, for better or worse, I always call it the way I see it. Hopefully the ugly personal attack post is allowed to stay here. It it a "case in point" of the crowd that turns people off from the Kioti brand.

 

[orangebluegreen]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( They all claim to have saved "thousands" over a comparable Kubota. )</font>

That’s the one claim I too see constantly. I also believe some Kioti salesmen throw that out to customers who have not yet shopped Kubota. If you have an over priced Kubota dealer this may be true, AND it might be closer to true in the bigger machines, but this summer as I priced both Kioti and Kubota, Carver gave me a price on a CK20 that was $500. more than a B7510 equipped with 60” MMM and loaders...same dealer sells both so one can’t blame location. Looks to me Kioti is possibly a better loader box blade machine and Kubota a better mowing machine due to all the reasons that have been talked about in other threads. I will say the Kioti is VERY comfortable as far as layout and seat, pedal, etc. The thing that bothers me is without the name recognition and parts being just down the street, and basically asking us to be their test, they need to reward us with a MUCH lower price than Kubota. IF I found a CK20 HST rear discharge MMM and Kioti loader (that lifts higher than Kubota’s) AND it was priced thousands less, I would go for it......but to me the same price or more doesn’t make sense, and yes I too have seen resale lower on Kioti than Kubota....believe me, I cuss at Kubota resale prices every day....all I want is a B2410 for 5K!!!!


BTW...I agree Neil seems to be a very straight forward guy. It must be a real pain to read all this stuff on here and take time to respond to people, but he does and is honest with his comments. What one usually gets from dealers is a political answer that leaves out the bad parts and paints the good with emphasis, I don’t see that here.

 

[orangebluegreen]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I personally came within a day of buying a Kubota 7510 until I rechecked prices with my local Kioti dealer and stumbled onto a slighted used CK20 that was too good a deal to pass up. )</font>

These are the types of quotes that continue the fuel because without actual dollar numbers mentioned, it is impossible to judge a good deal. Not targeting you, I and most others are also guilty....I have the numbers just don’t always feel like digging them up for a post. But to say things like my tractor was a far better deal than that brand without an absolute dollar figure is what continues the debate.


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Indeed, I dare say that the naive and gullible first time buyers (not TBN users ) just walk into a JD or Kubota dealership and buy whatever the salesman talks them into. )</font>

Absolutely agree, it is probably the reason I feel almost ALL tractors are over priced.

 

[IslandTractor]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( this summer as I priced both Kioti and Kubota, Carver gave me a price on a CK20 that was $500. more than a B7510 equipped with 60” MMM and loaders...same dealer sells both so one can’t blame location. )</font>

Being a CK20 owner I have to agree that comparing a CK20 with MMM to a Kubota 7510 turf package with MMM is not kind to the Kioti. The Kubota is cheaper mostly because of the great package deal with the suspended MMM while the Kioti is straddled with a very expensive ($2700list I think) MMM. I needed a rough cut mower anyway so that was not critical for me. For a true mowing machine I'd go with the 7510 turf every time.

 

[djg]

One thing I see in Kubota's favor is the wonderful Tractorsmart.com parts website. Ronnie Bowman has been very helpful with info on my old Kubota, and I have spent maybe $100.00 there. Is there any such support for Kioti?

 

[IslandTractor]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I personally came within a day of buying a Kubota 7510 until I rechecked prices with my local Kioti dealer and stumbled onto a slighted used CK20 that was too good a deal to pass up. )</font>

These are the types of quotes that continue the fuel because without actual dollar numbers mentioned, it is impossible to judge a good deal. )</font>

I didn't include details in the earlier post but am happy to share:

2005 CK20HST with KL120 FEL 28hrs on meter: $10,000
(traded in by orginal buyer for CK30 a month after purchase)
Added KB2365 backhoe $4800
Added 48" Squealer Bush Hog mower $825
Deal included 50hr service, 3 hooks welded to bucket and loading rear tires with "beet juice". Charged me additional $250 to deliver 80 miles away.

As a comparison, I was very close to buying a Kubota 7510 Turf Special from a popular internet savvy dealer. The cost for the tractor/fel/mmm/hooks was $13,600 plus $350 delivery.

The deals are not identical (even ignoring the BH) as the 7510 had the MMM while I got a brush mower with the Kioti. However, the difference in price for those items was substantial: $13,600 for the 7510 package and $10,825 for the CK20 package (minus BH). Difference in price is what allowed me to stretch and get the BH at the same time.

As I was perfectly happy with getting the 7510 turf, it really was the package price that made the deal for Kioti. Arguably, the Kioti is a bit better for the initial land clearing work while the Kubota would be better once I am finished and just mowing. For now, I am glad I got the CK20 it as the backhoe has been remarkably helpful in my land clearing project.

 

[IslandTractor]

Nothing like the Tractorsmart.com parts website for the Kioti. Advantage Kubota. Maybe in the future however as Kioti seems to be pretty agressive about modernizing their infrastructure.

 

[Donnyj]

If you do decide to buy a Kioti, I wish you the best of luck and hope the tractor gives you years of good service. I do not agree about the statement that you dislike Kioti that other members have labled you with. After all, why would a person go and test out a new tractor if he was not somewhat interested. I really believe you took my post the wrong way. I was not trying to start any arguement with you. I simply was curious about what your findings were when you compared the two tractors. I do not shove the Kioti brand down anybody's throat. I hope you understand that I was just trying to find out some info. Nothing more. Also like you I will tell the whole truth about any tractor I own. Just look at my past history of posts and you will find I have had small issues with my tractor. Nothing major. Issues none the less though. I just find it almost impossible anymore to post outside the Kioti forum for help and advice. There are some really great and helpful members in the Kioti forum and some trouble makers as well. I believe that is true for the whole site anymore. Discussions and debates are just one of the many enjoyable things on this site. Great advice and tons of help from other members makes this site even more enjoyable. I wish you the best.

 

[ck30newjersey]

They are not the same tractor, much different.