Kioti vs Kubota
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Dargo
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I don't personally know Neil Messick or gamble77, but they sure seem like darn honest and fair dealers for either brand. They seem to sell on the strong points of their products without degrading the competitor. My hat is off to them for offering their respectful "inside" views. We need more dealers like them. Maybe they'll both open stores in my area by the time I'm ready for my next tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Thanks everyone for all the feedback, however the two machines I'm looking at are the Kubota L 3400 HST and the Kioti CK30 HST. Lift at the 24" point is 1764 for the Ck and 1465 for the L3400. Not sure of total lift of the CK. Also no clutch involved. Weight of CK is 3055 and the L3400 is 2600. PTO 23(CK) vs. 27.5 (L3400). I still need to talk to both dealers again to get a better "feel" for them. Still a while before the big decision.
ronjhall
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<font color="blue"> I spent tons of hours researching tractors before I purchased </font>
Apparently not enough hours were spent verify the information that you collected. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif One of the points I watch for when dealing with a dealer is if they bad mouth the competition. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Instead of selling their product. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Apparently not enough hours were spent verify the information that you collected. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif One of the points I watch for when dealing with a dealer is if they bad mouth the competition. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Instead of selling their product. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
To20Chris
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I don't come back here much these days, but I see little has changed. If Kioti is involved, the Kubota partisans will be out in force. Kubota dealers aggressively hawking their brand (comparing tractors the poster did not ask about even!), the old resale gimmick, and the obligatory lawsuit rumor.
Humbleto, you can get a lot if great information on TBN, but when it comes to Kioti you'll have to post on the Kioti page to get any information. Kioti is the black-sheep brand, and you won't be able to get a straight answer in the general forums. In the end you'l have to make up your own mind.
Humbleto, you can get a lot if great information on TBN, but when it comes to Kioti you'll have to post on the Kioti page to get any information. Kioti is the black-sheep brand, and you won't be able to get a straight answer in the general forums. In the end you'l have to make up your own mind.
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Actually, things have been pretty calm between Kubota and Kioti partisans. I just think we need to all stop responding to obvious flames or even naive ones. I should not have been so curt with WVMaple for starters.
I dare say that the reason for all the heat is that each side recognizes the benefits of the other as well as their own. Kinda like rooting (too enthusiastically) for your home team when a major rival is in town. I will say that for all the problems we've had, the Kioti/Kubota "wars" are far more civilized than Yankees/Red Sox.
I dare say that the reason for all the heat is that each side recognizes the benefits of the other as well as their own. Kinda like rooting (too enthusiastically) for your home team when a major rival is in town. I will say that for all the problems we've had, the Kioti/Kubota "wars" are far more civilized than Yankees/Red Sox.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't personally know Neil Messick or gamble77, but they sure seem like darn honest and fair dealers for either brand. They seem to sell on the strong points of their products without degrading the competitor. My hat is off to them for offering their respectful "inside" views. We need more dealers like them. Maybe they'll both open stores in my area by the time I'm ready for my next tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif )</font>
Dargo,
I have had dealings with Neal. Great guy and will give you an honest answer.
J
Dargo,
I have had dealings with Neal. Great guy and will give you an honest answer.
J
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Humbleto, specs will give you an idea for your needs regardless of the brand you choose, I haven't heard of a so- called STAY AWAY BRAND, what was important for me when I purchase was the dealer and which tractor I felt most comfortable on.. Have you tried these tractor yet...cag
Highbeam
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"the two machines I'm looking at are the Kubota L 3400 HST and the Kioti CK30 HST"
-Okee dokee.
"Lift at the 24" point is 1764 for the Ck and 1465 for the L3400. Not sure of total lift of the CK."
-Total lift shouldn't matter, you found an apples to apples and I am surprized the L3400 is so low. Be sure to read up on the 3ph jerkiness complaints that L3400 owners were having. The CK 3ph is smooth.
"Weight of CK is 3055 and the L3400 is 2600."
-This isn't much and can be fixed with ballast but makes you wonder where the weight came off...
"PTO 23(CK) vs. 27.5 (L3400)."
-Pretty predictable. Similar driveline efficiency. Not a big difference though as with HST you are able to very precisely load the implement so that you are working right at the edge of the machine's capacity.
"I still need to talk to both dealers again to get a better "feel" for them."
-I hope you got prices. That is a very important comparison too.
The tractors are both of very high quality and I am starting to see some dealers carry both Kioti and Kubota.
-Okee dokee.
"Lift at the 24" point is 1764 for the Ck and 1465 for the L3400. Not sure of total lift of the CK."
-Total lift shouldn't matter, you found an apples to apples and I am surprized the L3400 is so low. Be sure to read up on the 3ph jerkiness complaints that L3400 owners were having. The CK 3ph is smooth.
"Weight of CK is 3055 and the L3400 is 2600."
-This isn't much and can be fixed with ballast but makes you wonder where the weight came off...
"PTO 23(CK) vs. 27.5 (L3400)."
-Pretty predictable. Similar driveline efficiency. Not a big difference though as with HST you are able to very precisely load the implement so that you are working right at the edge of the machine's capacity.
"I still need to talk to both dealers again to get a better "feel" for them."
-I hope you got prices. That is a very important comparison too.
The tractors are both of very high quality and I am starting to see some dealers carry both Kioti and Kubota.
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Jerry:
Read the Kioti letter in your post. Wonder about the confidentiality part though. The letter is short and politically correct so it leaves a lot to conjecture.
Coincidentially:
A couple of years ago General Motors sued Triumph Motors, Hinkley, England for trade name infringement. They (GM) alledged that the name "Bonneville" was property of GM and that Triumph LTD could not use the name. That's funny, Triumph, Meriden, England whom all the rights were bought by the new Triumph LTD, mainly Mr. John Bloor had the Triumph Bonneville model motorcycle years before GM ever badged their car a "Bonneville".......they lost.
I have stated in the Kioti forum that I feel Kioti's largest (present but not next year) tractor is a fine unit. I'd have considered one but the pto power was a little too low for my farming needs. I wouldn't ever say anything bad about a Perkins Diesel, I have one in my Massey and it's bulletproof but then, so is Kubota's engines. Why else would most manufacturers of power equipment that utilize diesel engines use Kubota power units for power, i.e: Bobcat, Generac Power Systems, Grasshopper, etc.
I don't think you can compare a model of Kioti to a model of Kubota. It's all about what the end user wants, dealer support and price and not in any order.
Read the Kioti letter in your post. Wonder about the confidentiality part though. The letter is short and politically correct so it leaves a lot to conjecture.
Coincidentially:
A couple of years ago General Motors sued Triumph Motors, Hinkley, England for trade name infringement. They (GM) alledged that the name "Bonneville" was property of GM and that Triumph LTD could not use the name. That's funny, Triumph, Meriden, England whom all the rights were bought by the new Triumph LTD, mainly Mr. John Bloor had the Triumph Bonneville model motorcycle years before GM ever badged their car a "Bonneville".......they lost.
I have stated in the Kioti forum that I feel Kioti's largest (present but not next year) tractor is a fine unit. I'd have considered one but the pto power was a little too low for my farming needs. I wouldn't ever say anything bad about a Perkins Diesel, I have one in my Massey and it's bulletproof but then, so is Kubota's engines. Why else would most manufacturers of power equipment that utilize diesel engines use Kubota power units for power, i.e: Bobcat, Generac Power Systems, Grasshopper, etc.
I don't think you can compare a model of Kioti to a model of Kubota. It's all about what the end user wants, dealer support and price and not in any order.
