Knowing what you don't know...
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Re: Knowing what you don\'t know...
Position control is STANDARD on all models of Kubota teractors with Draft control as the option. Again, suburbanites don't need or would use draft control. The draft option is an ag related option. I don't have it on my 5030HSTC but we have it on our row crop Deeres. The 5030 is used as a bailing tractor as well as around the farm utility tractor so ground engagement is not a consideration.
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Position control is STANDARD on all models of Kubota teractors with Draft control as the option. Again, suburbanites don't need or would use draft control. The draft option is an ag related option. I don't have it on my 5030HSTC but we have it on our row crop Deeres. The 5030 is used as a bailing tractor as well as around the farm utility tractor so ground engagement is not a consideration.
Daryl
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Re: Knowing what you don\'t know...
Position control may be standard on the larger Kubotas, but it is definitely not standard, or even available, on the B7500DT or B7500HSD. The manual is very specific in pointing out the "Hydraulic Control [Except B7500DTN]" vs the 'Position Control [B7500DTN]". Based on the manual's description of the B7500DTN's "position control"; "This will control the working depth of 3-point mounted implements regardless of the amount of pull required.", I suspect that the B7500DTN may also have draft control.
Using the definitions in this thread;
<ul type="square"> [*]Draft Control: is normally used for ground engaging equipment like a plow. It will sense the resistance being applied to the implement and raise it if the resistance becomes more than you have the draft control set for. This allows the tractor to continue its forward momentum without losing traction. Some compact tractors have draft control but it is mostly seen on larger tractors.
[*]Position Control: allows you to lower the 3pt hitch to the same height it was previously at. An example would be using a tiller and you are using your Position Control set on #3 to achieve a desired depth. At the end of a pass you lift the tiller and turn around for another pass. By lowering your Position Control lever to #3, you will be at the same depth as the first pass.
[*]Float: lets a loader or 3pt hitch move up and down with the contour of the ground. Almost all 3pt hitches do not have down force and will always float up with the contour of the ground. A loader does have down pressure but most have an additional setting to let the loader float. This is useful when driving backwards with the bucket down to smooth loose materials on the surface.
[/list] On my B7500HSD, the "Hydraulic Control" has a central, neutral position in which the hitch is stationary at whatever position it was last placed- pushing it forward lowers the hitch and pushing it back raises the hitch. To set the hich to a particular height, the lever is pushed in the appropriate direction until the desired hitch position is reached, and then the lever must be returned to the neutral position. Leaving it in the forward position will allow the implement to 'float'. Leaving it back will cause the hitch to raise fully, at which point the lever is automatically returned to the neutral position. This does not seem to qualify as position control. In contrast, on the B7500DTN, it appears that the relative position of the lever indicates the position of the hitch; in other words position control. A (detented?) position at the extreme front of the lever travel enables floating.
Position control may be standard on the larger Kubotas, but it is definitely not standard, or even available, on the B7500DT or B7500HSD. The manual is very specific in pointing out the "Hydraulic Control [Except B7500DTN]" vs the 'Position Control [B7500DTN]". Based on the manual's description of the B7500DTN's "position control"; "This will control the working depth of 3-point mounted implements regardless of the amount of pull required.", I suspect that the B7500DTN may also have draft control.
Using the definitions in this thread;
<ul type="square"> [*]Draft Control: is normally used for ground engaging equipment like a plow. It will sense the resistance being applied to the implement and raise it if the resistance becomes more than you have the draft control set for. This allows the tractor to continue its forward momentum without losing traction. Some compact tractors have draft control but it is mostly seen on larger tractors.
[*]Position Control: allows you to lower the 3pt hitch to the same height it was previously at. An example would be using a tiller and you are using your Position Control set on #3 to achieve a desired depth. At the end of a pass you lift the tiller and turn around for another pass. By lowering your Position Control lever to #3, you will be at the same depth as the first pass.
[*]Float: lets a loader or 3pt hitch move up and down with the contour of the ground. Almost all 3pt hitches do not have down force and will always float up with the contour of the ground. A loader does have down pressure but most have an additional setting to let the loader float. This is useful when driving backwards with the bucket down to smooth loose materials on the surface.
[/list] On my B7500HSD, the "Hydraulic Control" has a central, neutral position in which the hitch is stationary at whatever position it was last placed- pushing it forward lowers the hitch and pushing it back raises the hitch. To set the hich to a particular height, the lever is pushed in the appropriate direction until the desired hitch position is reached, and then the lever must be returned to the neutral position. Leaving it in the forward position will allow the implement to 'float'. Leaving it back will cause the hitch to raise fully, at which point the lever is automatically returned to the neutral position. This does not seem to qualify as position control. In contrast, on the B7500DTN, it appears that the relative position of the lever indicates the position of the hitch; in other words position control. A (detented?) position at the extreme front of the lever travel enables floating.
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Re: Knowing what you don\'t know...
All of my 3 previous Kubota's had Position control. They were as follows: B1600 HST, B2400 HST, L-3710 HST. Quoting from the L-series specifications regarding the L3130 through L5030 states that position control is standard with draft as an option. Our large row crop Deere's have draft control with an electronic sensing arrangement that controls depth as opposed to wheel spin. As I stated previously, Draft control in a compact tractor is an option that would not be practical for 95 percent of the potential owners of those units. it's place is really in an agricultural setting, not in the backyard of your home or mowing the lawn.
On the subject of compact tractors, the 5030HSTC that I presently own is really a crossover unit. It dovetails in with the smaller "M" series ag tractors that Kubota markets. Actually, I would have preferred an "M" series over the 5030, however, the 5030 is a more compact package with PTO power in line with the "M" series. As I keep the tractor inside, the overall height of the storage area dictated the lower cab height of the 5030 as opposed to the "M" series.
I could have purchased an "M" series without a cab, but after much seat time in our cabbed Deeres, an open tractor is out of the question for me. Operating an open tractor as opposed to a cab tractor is like riding a moped compared to a Harley. there is just no comparasion. Of course, a cab tractor is not for everyone. That's why Kubota as well as most other manufacturers offer open as well as enclosed models.
Daryl
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All of my 3 previous Kubota's had Position control. They were as follows: B1600 HST, B2400 HST, L-3710 HST. Quoting from the L-series specifications regarding the L3130 through L5030 states that position control is standard with draft as an option. Our large row crop Deere's have draft control with an electronic sensing arrangement that controls depth as opposed to wheel spin. As I stated previously, Draft control in a compact tractor is an option that would not be practical for 95 percent of the potential owners of those units. it's place is really in an agricultural setting, not in the backyard of your home or mowing the lawn.
On the subject of compact tractors, the 5030HSTC that I presently own is really a crossover unit. It dovetails in with the smaller "M" series ag tractors that Kubota markets. Actually, I would have preferred an "M" series over the 5030, however, the 5030 is a more compact package with PTO power in line with the "M" series. As I keep the tractor inside, the overall height of the storage area dictated the lower cab height of the 5030 as opposed to the "M" series.
I could have purchased an "M" series without a cab, but after much seat time in our cabbed Deeres, an open tractor is out of the question for me. Operating an open tractor as opposed to a cab tractor is like riding a moped compared to a Harley. there is just no comparasion. Of course, a cab tractor is not for everyone. That's why Kubota as well as most other manufacturers offer open as well as enclosed models.
Daryl
Forage services, L.P.