Kubota L4610 HST vs. New Holland TC45DA

[spitter]

Since people are giveing opions hears mine .The joy stick on the kubota looks like a ad on not a builtin to the machines design .sitting onthe tractor it seems like you'r reaching for it .Never liked that stile small ball not comfortable for hours of work.New hollands joystick right at your side ergonomicaly fits your hand better and has button on it for raising rpms rabbit turtle feature which can be helpful long hours of seat time.Between stretching out shoulder raised position i hated operating those setups not to menchen the stupid treddle peddle.:thumbdown:The curved boom on the new holland is nice to see over and to get into tight places under low trees or bushes when mulching.My vote blue.:drink:

 

[woolyAcres]

Thanks for the help everyone! Any New Holland owners to pitch in a word?

I've had the good fortune to use an NH45DA (shuttle shift not HST). It's a very nice machine. As mentioned earlier the loader joystick is integrated and quite comfortable to use. The LA16 loader on our's also has SSQA which is a nice feature for switching between the bucket, bale-spear, forks, etc and the curved boom is easy to see and maneuver. It also has the bucket level indicator which is handy. I know very little about the Kubota, maybe that has it as well. The thumb on the Kubota would be nice but I'd expect you could get that for less than the $2000 difference. The tires on our NH are NOT loaded but they should be. I find stability to be a small issue but that's easily solved.

 

[OutBurst]

I've had the good fortune to use an NH45DA (shuttle shift not HST). It's a very nice machine. As mentioned earlier the loader joystick is integrated and quite comfortable to use. The LA16 loader on our's also has SSQA which is a nice feature for switching between the bucket, bale-spear, forks, etc and the curved boom is easy to see and maneuver. It also has the bucket level indicator which is handy. I know very little about the Kubota, maybe that has it as well. The thumb on the Kubota would be nice but I'd expect you could get that for less than the $2000 difference. The tires on our NH are NOT loaded but they should be. I find stability to be a small issue but that's easily solved.

Thanks for the thoughts! How do you like the fenders (plastic)? What are your thoughts about the build quality? Do the components appear well-thought out?

 

[woolyAcres]

Thanks for the thoughts! How do you like the fenders (plastic)? What are your thoughts about the build quality? Do the components appear well-thought out?

I don't see the fenders as an issue. I think they might be fiberglass or impregnated plastic. They don't rust, they keep the mud off, and they are sturdy enough for someone to sit on while riding 'shot-gun', though not particularly comfortable which is probably a good thing- keeps people from doing it much.

I've never owned or operated a Kubota, but this NH has been flawless. Once had a problem where it wouldn't start. Turned out the sensor that determines if someone is seated on the tractor (a requirement for starting) had seperated at some connector where the wires ran below the platform. Pretty quickly figure it has something to do with the seat and found the culprit. Reconnected it. That's been the only problem in about 1000hrs of use. It's my father's all purpose farm tractor but it doesn't get a ton of use. Those 1000 hours took about 4 years to put on it. It's used for cleaning out the barn, running a 9' cutter machine, raking hay, it can and has run a square baler with kicker, hay rake, 5' HD brush-hog, log-splitter, 5' box blade, hauling firewood, etc. When the 90HP Case was down we used it for a few days to run the 4x4 round baler. It actually did okay with that but the rolling nature of the field made that unsafe. It got pushed around.

My guess is the Kubota has better FEL capacity. I don't actually know what the 16LA should lift but I know it could not unload 3000# pallets of lime plaster from the rear of a tractor trailer. It has no problem lifting 4x4 silage bales however.

I'm sure they are both solid machines (or could be). I think overall condition, add-ons like filed tires, rear-remotes (a $1200 add-on we did several years ago), and overall preference would be the deciding factors.

 

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I don't see the fenders as an issue. I think they might be fiberglass or impregnated plastic. They don't rust, they keep the mud off, and they are sturdy enough for someone to sit on while riding 'shot-gun', though not particularly comfortable which is probably a good thing- keeps people from doing it much.

I've never owned or operated a Kubota, but this NH has been flawless. Once had a problem where it wouldn't start. Turned out the sensor that determines if someone is seated on the tractor (a requirement for starting) had seperated at some connector where the wires ran below the platform. Pretty quickly figure it has something to do with the seat and found the culprit. Reconnected it. That's been the only problem in about 1000hrs of use. It's my father's all purpose farm tractor but it doesn't get a ton of use. Those 1000 hours took about 4 years to put on it. It's used for cleaning out the barn, running a 9' cutter machine, raking hay, it can and has run a square baler with kicker, hay rake, 5' HD brush-hog, log-splitter, 5' box blade, hauling firewood, etc. When the 90HP Case was down we used it for a few days to run the 4x4 round baler. It actually did okay with that but the rolling nature of the field made that unsafe. It got pushed around.

My guess is the Kubota has better FEL capacity. I don't actually know what the 16LA should lift but I know it could not unload 3000# pallets of lime plaster from the rear of a tractor trailer. It has no problem lifting 4x4 silage bales however.

I'm sure they are both solid machines (or could be). I think overall condition, add-ons like filed tires, rear-remotes (a $1200 add-on we did several years ago), and overall preference would be the deciding factors.

So you weren't able to unload 3,000lb pallets of lime plaster - have you ever tried unloading a 2,000lb pallet (I will need to unload 1 ton pallets of wood pellets)? Fantastic feedback, I appreciate the help!

 

[woolyAcres]

So you weren't able to unload 3,000lb pallets of lime plaster - have you ever tried unloading a 2,000lb pallet (I will need to unload 1 ton pallets of wood pellets)? Fantastic feedback, I appreciate the help!

Unfortunately those pallets of plaster were the only 'calibrated' item we've tried it on. However, based on this I think 2000# will be too much for the FEL. You'd certainly want either filled tires, ballast or both, before even attempting it. But I don't think you'll have much luck. If that's a big issue, check the specs on the Kubota it may or may not have the capacity. If you could reach them with a set of forks on the 3PT hitch, I think you'd have no problem.

 

[woolyAcres]

One of my other impression of the NH is it feels a little tippy. As I mentioned the one I use does not have loaded tires. Remedying that would go a long way toward improving stability. From your photos, it looks like the NH has more clearance and a higher center of gravity compared to the Kubota. If stability is a concern or you're working in rolling, hilly, or rocky areas, I'd expect the Kubota to be noticeably better behaved. If you need ground clearance the NH probably has the edge.

All that is based on my experience on the NH and looking at the photos so don't put too much stock in that. Best to get on both machines and see what they feel like.

 

[Grandad4]

One of my other impression of the NH is it feels a little tippy. As I mentioned the one I use does not have loaded tires. Remedying that would go a long way toward improving stability. From your photos, it looks like the NH has more clearance and a higher center of gravity compared to the Kubota. If stability is a concern or you're working in rolling, hilly, or rocky areas, I'd expect the Kubota to be noticeably better behaved. If you need ground clearance the NH probably has the edge.

All that is based on my experience on the NH and looking at the photos so don't put too much stock in that. Best to get on both machines and see what they feel like.

Hard tp tell from the pictures. In both cases, the backhoe subframe kills the ground clearance. In fact, those two backhoes appear similar enough that you might wonder if Woods was the supplier for the NH branded backhoes. Both backhoes also jut out in back enough to compromise the departure angle on rough terrain.

Bottom line though is they are very comparable machines. Personal preference and assessment of condition would be the deciding factors for me. Either rig will do a lot of work.

 

[DK35vince]

Hard tp tell from the pictures. In both cases, the backhoe subframe kills the ground clearance. In fact, those two backhoes appear similar enough that you might wonder if Woods was the supplier for the NH branded backhoes. Both backhoes also jut out in back enough to compromise the departure angle on rough terrain.

Can't say for sure but I thought the New Holland 758c backhoe was made by Rhino

 

[ns_in_tex]

Do not know anything about New Holland but do own a Kubota L4610 HSTC.
We have over 3400 hrs on ours and love it. Of course we love the treadle pedal also. Probably would be a deciding factor if we were looking for a new tractor. Have never used a double pedal, but unless you could rock your foot sideways from one to the other, without getting off either pedal, I think a double pedal would make it a no sale for me. Ours does not have a seat safety switch, which we would bypass if it did, because we do so many things, not on the seat.
Have not counted, but have maybe 10 attachments for the FEL, so the loader gets a lot of work and has held up well.
The other day, my neighbors had a broken water line which caused me to fall to the drawbar when we were mowing pasture with our 20' bush hog and a 105 HP tractor. We went to the house and got our L4610, some chain, and a long piece of baler twine. Hooked on the rear of the mower, ran a string from the treadle pedal out the cab door and through the rear window of the big tractor. We were able to pull the stuck tractor out with the kubota while inside the other tractor, with me being the only operator, and we could tell several more examples.