Kubota says no to biodiesel

[ccsial]

I buy my fuel in bulk from Farm Service in Illinois. They told me their fuel is 7% bio because of an Illinois requirement for road tax free fuel.

 

[TrippleT]

I posted on this same subject on another thread. I have NH and they recommend up to 20% biodiesel in their newer products. I won't be using any in the future until it becomes more standardized. I noticed a little drop in power. And, as I posted, the oring on the fuel filter was swollen to the point I had to pry the filter off. And it was not a rubber oring. SO I am suspect at this point. It would be nice to use this resource when the bugs are worked out, and some type of standardization is in effect. I simply can't afford the expense of experimentation on the part of manufacturers, or maybe greed? Diesel pumps are expensive you know. I don't intend to be caustic but just have reservations on the supply of biodiesel in this area.

 

[ccsial]

Here is what the Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers have to say about its use in their equipment if you want to experiment with it in your Kubota....

In some places we may be forced to experiment with it by order of our elected looters.

 

[AceDeuce]

The issue isn't that the manufacturers can't make their products biodiesel friendly; rather, they won't... unless influenced by one of two factors:
1. an economic driver (i.e. customer demand, less expensive to manufacture, etc.)
2. government decree (which has so far been virtually non-existant)

 

[Robertsen]

This subject has been flogged to death, but IF EVERY SQUARE INCH OF ARABLE LAND IN NORTH AMERICA was dedicated to bio fuels, we would still be importing crude. There isn't enough grain on the planet to displace anything like the 12 million barrels of crude we import every DAY.

Even the EPA says bio has the potential to be a nice lubricity additive at best.

RDnT

No truer words have been said than this!!

Rob

 

[ovrszd]

This subject has been flogged to death, but IF EVERY SQUARE INCH OF ARABLE LAND IN NORTH AMERICA was dedicated to bio fuels, we would still be importing crude. There isn't enough grain on the planet to displace anything like the 12 million barrels of crude we import every DAY.

Even the EPA says bio has the potential to be a nice lubricity additive at best.

RDnT

Okay,,,, let's just continue to import all of the crude oil we can. That way our Oil companies can continue to record the highest profits in recorded history. Heaven forbid if our farmers had that opportunity......

Edit:: Forgot to mention that currently we literally have millions of acres of productive farmland lying fallow in a government program designed to not flood the world markets with grain. Our nation has the ability to easily produce twice the amount of grain that we currently do. Why not utilize grain in this manner, employ our farmers to expand production and at least minimize our dependence on foreign oil??? But then again, heaven forbid if our farmers had the opportunity to produce grain at their potential capacity and increase their profits like the Oil Companies have......

 

[Berniep]

Our nation has the ability to easily produce twice the amount of grain that we currently do. Why not utilize grain in this manner, employ our farmers to expand production and at least minimize our dependence on foreign oil??? But then again, heaven forbid if our farmers had the opportunity to produce grain at their potential capacity and increase their profits like the Oil Companies have......

I also think that there should be a better way than taking good ground out of production. But, biofuels, at least the last time I read(It's been about a year since I read about the economic viability of alternative fuels), take more energy input than you get back out. In other words if the farmer had to plant harvest it and refine it, it would not produce enough fuel to plant it, harvest it and refine it. The only thing making it viable at all is government subsidies. Thats worse than keeping ground out of production in my opinion.

 

[ovrszd]

I also think that there should be a better way than taking good ground out of production. But, biofuels, at least the last time I read(It's been about a year since I read about the economic viability of alternative fuels), take more energy input than you get back out. In other words if the farmer had to plant harvest it and refine it, it would not produce enough fuel to plant it, harvest it and refine it. The only thing making it viable at all is government subsidies. Thats worse than keeping ground out of production in my opinion.

If that is true, I totally agree!!! If it were a break even program, I say produce the grain and biofuel. The employment and manufacturing it would create would be worth it. But we can't lose to produce biofuel, I agree with that.

 

[rdsaustintx]

Okay,,,, let's just continue to import all of the crude oil we can. That way our Oil companies can continue to record the highest profits in recorded history. Heaven forbid if our farmers had that opportunity......

Edit:: Forgot to mention that currently we literally have millions of acres of productive farmland lying fallow in a government program designed to not flood the world markets with grain. Our nation has the ability to easily produce twice the amount of grain that we currently do. Why not utilize grain in this manner, employ our farmers to expand production and at least minimize our dependence on foreign oil??? But then again, heaven forbid if our farmers had the opportunity to produce grain at their potential capacity and increase their profits like the Oil Companies have......

My comment was directed to a prior statement that we could somehow *eliminate* our dependence on imported oil. You sort of took my observations to an unintended extreme. I never said or implied that domestic energy production was not desirable.

As for the rest of this, who says farmers don't have the opportunity?? As soon as ANYBODY can produce equivalent energy per dollar, then they can compete with those nasty old oil companies. It's all about BTU's for the buck. Even with large tax incentives, bio just ain't there yet.

(Somewhere there is a farmer using his price support subsidy to buy ExxonMobil stock and laughing at us all)

RDnT

 

[SkyPup]

How about all the ripoff profits of the big multinational agribusiness cartels like AGM and Cargill that control 100% of the biofuel production, what makes them any different (better) that the petrochemical corporations?

They are all happy to rip your family off for a box of corn flakes now!