Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts

   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #21  
In all fairness to MF and the Sub-Compact class, the Massey GC2300 is only 97" stem to stern including the 3pt hitch, that is by any definition a SUB-compact.

The Kubota BX22 is 92" withOUT the length of the 3pt links.

Somehow I think that the BX and the MF GC2300 are probably within inch of each other IF you measure them both the SAME way.

And in all fairness to the MASSEY, it has some specs that are better than the Kubota.
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #22  
There is a Massey Ferguson dealer not too far from where I live,they sell lots of farm equipment/trailers/t-posts/barb wire/stock tanks/pto winches and have lots of new Masseys in stock. My JD dealer is about 30 miles away.My JD 4400 has been a good tractor albeit some problems early on. If I was going to buy another tractor I would have to stop at the Massey dealer nearby.When I bought my JD 4400 I had the binders on and bought green and green implements,looking back I should have broadened my horizon some.
This Massey dealer sells cheaper than anyone around on everything. There is getting to be a lot of Masseys around my area,why is that? It is because Massey is a good product and you can get it for several thousands less than A JD/Kubota/New Holland in my neck of the woods.
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #23  
I've never owned a Massey, and we don't even have a dealer nearby that I am aware of, but it is hard to say anything bad about that brand. Their reputation is good. They have been around forever. And they seem to have a loyal following. The only MF tractors I see are the old ones still working the fields so there must have been a dealer here at some point.

I think the important thing to consider when buying any tractor is to try to figure out what jobs you will do, and what features you want. Then go find a tractor that will give you the features and do the jobs. THEN go out and compare other brands in an apples-to-apples comparison. The Kubota BX22 versus the MF GC2300 versus the New Holland TZ24 are all apples-to-apples sub compact tractors, all have HST, all are about the same HP, all are the same size (within inches), all are available in T.L.B. configuration. If the backhoe is not even a future consideration, then JD also makes a sub-compact that can be added to the mix as well.

I think that sometimes we buy a tractor and fall in love with the color and then try to prove to everyone else that ours is the best brand. Hey, they are all darn good and even a bad tractor is better than a shovel and a bucket. Some of us won't consider something without HST, others are on a very limited budget, some want a close dealer for service/parts . . . we all have reasons for what we got.

Objectively, I think I would buy the Massey GC2300 over the Kubota based on the specs I see, and based on the configuration of the way the 3point hitch folds out of the way when the backhoe is installed, IF there was a local dealer. However, I would also strongly consider the TZ series NH, but that is based on my like of my local dealer and how I get treated there, versus my 9+ year relationship with my Cub/Kubota dealer and how that dealership seems to have changed, so my bias against a dealer might sway me away from the Kubota. Heck it already did once!
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #24  
If there is that kind of a price difference in your area then the Massy dealer is doing the customers well! For the most part they are close on all comparables on cost to the dealer so it just depends on what the dealer is satisfied with.
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #25  
around this nesk of the woods the sub compacts and compact size tractors are dominated by the big three, but a very large portion of the large farms use mostly big jd's or big mf"s ,don't know what that means, only that is the way it is around here.
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #26  
My 1.9 cents...

With any of the tractors mentioned you will have a quality
machine. Will it do everything you want it to do? Will you
be as happy after using it 4 hours in a row as you are seeing
it in the showroom? Maybe. You really have to use one for a
day to know.

I had a BX.

Bad: (for me)

I found the rocker pedal for the HST impossible to get
comfortable with. I'm 5'8, my ankle and hip didn't like
it. Discomfort and sometimes pain afte hours of back and
forth.

With the engine powered up was never able to gently stop
and reverse the thing without looking like a whiplashing
clown. (Ow again) More seat time might have helped but
my ankle hurt to much.

The 3 point is marginally a Cat 1, more like a Cat 1*
with the * meaning BUY A QUICKHITCH or bust your A**
changing implements

The power steering rod is VERY LOW and in front of the axle.
I didn't see this initially a problem as this was to be a
machine to rake, let the wife use to move garden stuff etc.

When I used it a bit I discovered the loader was not a toy
loader as I imagined it would be but a bonafide DIGGER. I
found lots of things to do with this or would have done
with it but that rod is in a bad place. If the tractor wasn't
so low to begin with it might not be a problem.

I hated with a passion the 3pt control lever, or lack of
one, I think it's called lack of "position control" I was
totally frustrated by this and would NEVER buy another tractor
with this kind of setup.

GOOD

Super engine, loader, comfortable seat, easy to reach
controls. Appears built with the same quality as the
bigger machines (I have a bigger Kubota as well)

Extra set of tires and wheels (bar tires) were only $300!

Maneuverabilty. I also used this inside a building to
move stuff! A perfect back saver!

Resale value, sold after 3 years for 94.5% of purchase
price. Kubota seems as widely known as Deere.

*********
You have to somehow guess what you might want to do in the
years ahead, and any of these machines with maintenance and
care will be in good operating condition until you are BORED with
their color!

Maybe a taller tractor would make more sense...?

I sold my BX because of the pedal, the 3pt control and the
fact that I bought 10 more acres shortly after buying it.

If you look at the JD2210 it has the same problem with the
3point but is a little higher, a little longer and the steering
rod is better positioned. You may like the pedals a lot better.
I also have a JD garden tractor and I have always jumped on
that and had no problems.

If your property is not glass-**** smooth the shorter and
lighter the tractor the more your body will pay for it over
rough (even not visually rough) surfaces. Longer wheelbase
tractors and bigger tires smooth out those bumps. That was
another problem I had with that size tractor (regardless of
brand) I was getting beat to death.

I would find a dealer that has a demo you can take home (best)
or at least use in a "play area". Use it for a couple of hours
it may save you some unhappiness. If you can use the different
tractors on consecutivee day or same day you can really compare what you
like and dislike.

Make sure you are comparing PTO HP not anything else. The BX
for instance doesn't develope it's 22 hp till 3000+rpm which
is an annoying rpm to run it at. Some of the bigger Kubotas
B2410, 7500? seem to have not much more hp but in real use
the hp at lower rpm is nice. Torque is what really does
the work, those specs are sometimes hidden. HP is what they
use to advertise. I have a 230HP 3 litre Toyota and a 245hp
7.5 litre truck. The HP figure means nothing when it comes
to towing.

The bigger tractors are also heavier which again helps with the ride.I guess this depends on how hold you are and
how what kind of shape you are in or will be in later in life.

I also have a Kubota L35 TLB which is currently at 6350lbs.
I replaced my BX with a JD4210 which is a 22PTO hp tractor.
It weighs about 3100 lbs with loader and wheel weights, it
is night and day nicer to drive over pasture etc. Not as nice
as the L35 that feels like it is crushing down boulders
in it's path.

I also have had a Ford 1710 for 20 years which is built by Shibaura (sp) in Japan
This is what a current NH is really, a Shibaura (sp) with some different
body work. It has held up incredibly well for my 1300 hours. Above
and beyond the call. If you discount a couple of dumb
things I have caused it has been literally trouble free!

The Kubota and JD will have big shoes to fill when the Ford leaves here. With two tractors I'll probably never get the hours up to see if they hold up as well.

To sum this up, they are all good but try each one out
extensively before you buy and try to think ahead at the
vacation property you're going to be buying in 5-10 years...

If you are strictly snowblowing then of course much of
the above doesn't matter, but I think a poll of owners
here would tell you that hardly anyone isn't surprised
at all the OTHER stuff they are doing with their tractors
that they didn't plan on before purchasing.

have fun
del
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts
  • Thread Starter
#27  
bob,
I went to the Kubota dealer to again look at the bx 2200 and they were closed. But alas, I looked in the showroom window and all I saw was new bx2230's and bx1830's. Do you know if the 2004s are more expensive? I see that they have a few new features, but nothing really big. Let me know if you know what a fair price would be for a bx2230 with a loader and a backblade.
thanks,
Steve
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #28  
The new BX's just give you a better value for the same dollar.
 
   / Kubota vs Massey Ferguson subcompacts #29  
a lot of very good points, will definetly agree with the ride on the smaller tractors, my b2400 does all i want, and the only time i don't like the ride is when i am mowing my corner field, i must slow down or get bounced around, now my old ford 2n rode much smother, heavier, bigger tires, BUT, it did not have live pto, steered like a cement truck(without ps) and no 4wd. all in all i will take the b2400, and slow down a tad when the ground is hard and dry. other than that i have no complaints /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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