Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke

   / Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke #11  
I would check air filters before doing much of anything else (since you already checked the fuel filter). The lack of power symptom you mention is often an air intake problem. If the filters are bad it would impact starting too.

I recently cleaned an old set of filters that I had replaced on my Kubota (saved them for re-use). Although the main filter was dark colored, it looked pretty good to me. I could not believe the crud that came out of it when I cleaned it!!!
 
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#12  
Thanks for the replies guys.

BTW it is warm where I am, in fact some days it's really hot :)

The air filter is a single unit, and one of the things I first did when it wouldn't start was remove it to see if that would help. I't didn't. The filter is reasonably new, so I'm not surprised it is not the issue.

I'm sort of pinning my hopes on the glow plugs. Unfortunately I can't get new ones till tomorrow when the shops open.

Cheers

Rohan
 
   / Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke #13  
Not sure but I think I would be checking the govenor and springs in the pump and movement of the rack and shutoff levers.

David Kb7uns
 
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#14  
Hi David,
I have checked the shutoff leaver action and all looks ok there.

I don't know what or how to do this "springs in the pump and movement of the rack "

Could you elaborate a bit for a guy new to diesels :eek:

Cheers

Rohan
 
   / Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke #15  
G'day rohan if you are new to diesels checking the rack and springs is not somethng i would advise as it is not something for the begginner where in melb are you i am about two hrs west between ballarat and ararat

Jon
 
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#16  
Hi Jon,

Probably another hour further east in Montrose.

Cheers

Rohan
 
   / Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke #17  
rhamer-- if it's warm where you are, then I'd be looking somewhere besides the glow plugs. Forgot you folks have your seasons "backwards". :D:D

A diesel engine works on the principle that a gas, when compressed, will rise in temperature.

With high enough compression, the gas (air) temp in the cylinder will rise to the point that if diesel fuel is sprayed in, in a fine mist, it will ignite, just because the air is so hot. IIRC, the minimun for diesels is 15.4:1; my 504D was around 22:1, my TDI around 17:1. (Gasoline engines run from around 8:1 to what's considered very high 12:1.)

A cold diesel engine will raise the temperature of the ambient air a certain amount; if the ambient air is warm, no problem-- IF the compression is up to snuff. The air will get hot enough for the fuel to light off when it's sprayed in.

Glow plugs are used (and may well be necessary) if the ambient air is below a certain point. Their job is to pre-heat the air in the cylinder so it will get hot enough, when compressed, to ignite the fuel.

Every engine is different in its requirements, but all diesels work this way. We often use their inventor's name (Rudolf Diesel) to describe diesel engines, but technically they're known as "compression ignition" engines. (That's why diesel oil has a "C" --for "compression"-- designation, whereas gasoline engines carry an "S" --"spark"-- designation.)

Another factor that is somewhat crucial in a diesel engine is precisely when, in terms of the piston's position in the power stroke, the fuel is introduced-- fuel "timing", as it were. If that's not right, engine starting & running suffers badly, even if compression is fine.

That adjustment is accomplished much the same as ignition timing adjustment on a gas engine's distributor, except it involves the injection pump. To get it right, however, the whole front of the engine may have to be removed to expose timing marks on the crankshaft. Once set, diesel timing should never be altered. (This is on mechanical diesel injection engines; newer ones, like VW's TDIs, are adjustable and controlled by the engine computer.)

So-- if it's warm where you are, glow plugs shouldn't be needed to start, generally speaking. However, my tractor likes the help, even in the summer, if the engine is stone cold-- but it will still start OK, if a bit sluggish, without glow plug use. On the other hand, my VW TDI rarely needs glow plug help.

After the obvious things like filters and injectors, I'd be looking at compression and injection timing. If you have the specs, compression testing isn't bad, but you may be better off to pay an expert to look at injector pump timing. (Have you noticed any loose bolts on the pump?)

Sorry to ramble on, but I hope this little tutorial will help!

Walt from "up nawth--WAY up nawth" (Man, it's been cold here lately!!)
 
   / Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke #18  
Walt,..from up nawth,.... I'm just a tad nawth of you, up here in Canada,..but I just wanted to tell you you reminded me of a diesel-school-instructor I had way back, many, many years ago.

What a beautiful, practical and easy to understand, yet brief and very much to the point,...explanation of the "Compression-Ignition-Engine" !! Wonderful and I believe almost anyone could grasp the theory from your lecture. (AND, be better equipped to sort out some of their own `diesel`problems now.)

I'll just bet that "many" readers of that explanation,...with no previous understanding of a diesel, . . . will slap the table lightly and exclaim to no one in particular: ...WOW, . . so that`s how it works, . . son-of-gun !!!`

Nice job Walt, . . thought I should express my thoughts.

CHEERS and Merry Christmas,.... to you guys down in Oz as well !!
. . tug
 
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#19  
Thanks guys, but I really think it's you guys with the seasons backwards :)

I have always had to use the pre heat on this tractor regardless of the ambient temp for the first start, where as on my mercedes van I could get away with just cranking it if I forgot to wait.

I do understand the principles of a diesel engine well, I have just never worked on one. All my cars as a younger man were petrol :) However thanks for taking the time to write it out, you can never have too much information.

Anyway the upshot of all this is I got it running tonight. I replaced the glow plugs, bled the fuel lines and away it went.

Once running it was fine, although still down on power a bit I believe, but I might try some sort of injector cleaner in the fuel (any recommendations).

So thanks again for all the help, and we'll see if it starts again tomorrow :)

Cheers

Rohan
 
   / Kubota won't start & puffs blue smoke #20  
G'day Rohan not sure if you have got one on your unit but check your lift pump (the one you use to prime it ) it may have a screen in there that may want cleaning ( usually found by removing a tin coer held on with a single bolt or screw ) also you may have a filter in your tank at the tap that may be partially blocked. Hope this helps


Jon
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