L2800-L3400 PTO Making the right choice

[8226hamer]

I just noticed a difference between the PSB 2005-052-A posted earlier by MJFOX and the recent one posted by Danielterrance. The line after stating that the noise is caused by the overunning action of the pto clutch cams has been deleted.

In the earlier version of the PSB with the same date and number there is an aditional line that states Action: When a customer complaint is encountered please order and install P/N - TC220-99990 PTO Cam Kit.

That paragraph and an earlier paragrapgh about this bulletin superseding PSB-2005-052. I believe that was the oil level increase.

Both sentenances are deleted in the current version of the same bulletin with the same date and same number. Interesting!
am getting a bad feeling here as I am sure this an expensive fix for Kubota but I also don't really care what it costs them. I want my PTO to work properly and be as strong as it should be. I gave my dealer the early copy of the PSB.

Maybe some of you already noticed this. I just thought I would point it out. Good luck to all. Brian

I talked to Dave Miller from the Nothern Kubota Division today about the service bulletin and he informed me that someone had doctored the bulletin that appears on TBN and it should say nothing about when a customer complain to order and install P/N TC220-99990 PTO Cam Kit. He said that you cannot believe everything that you read on TBN. I flew off and said this was BS. He said it was sent to the dealers noting a production change in tractors after a certain serial number and that Kubota was not obligated to do this fix.
I wanted to know why some L2800-3400 owners dealers has done this repair and the only thing they did was to complain about the noise, he didn't have an answer. I ask him why didn't my dealer put in the new non ratcheting style cams either of the two time that my tractor has had complete PTO failure, he didn't have an answer. I ask him if Kubota would put this new style cam kit in my tractor, he said they would not since my PTO was working at this time. I have given Kubota plenty of opportunity to fix this tractor. I am willing to let Kubota install these new cams at this time even though I'm not having PTO problems, but they will not unless my system fails again. It's pretty sad that Kubotas is not willing to do this cam exchange unless my PTO system fails for a third time. You would think they would be bending over backwards to take care of the problems that I have had with this tractor. If it take a third time failure of my PTO system for Kubota to install the new cams, it has gone to far and I will take a different approach to finding a cure. As I have said before, Mr. Gertner or Mr. Miller, both who are represenitive for Kubota and I'm sure is following this thread. Myself and others I'm sure would welcome your comments since you can not believe everything you read on TBN, or if any member would like to hear it straight from Kubota PM me and I will get you a phone number and then let Kubota explain their policy in regards to this matter, as it was explained to me.

From the new pictures of the new one-way cams that have been posted, I can see a difference in the cams that were installed in my tractor. They were not the new one way cams the first time and I'm sure they were not the second, WHY was this done and WHY is it going to take a third time failure to get it done. Could it be that these new cams are no more dependable than the first two attempts at having a reliable PTO in this series of tractors. I'm willing to give them a try, but I have to have a third time failure before I can.

 

[8226hamer]

I stopped by my dealer today and had them look up PSB-2005-052-A.

They printed a copy and agreed to update my L3400 under warranty.

It appears that Kubota no longer feels the need for an overruning clutch in the PTO. The new ones are solid and thus will not ratchet. Whether they are stronger remains to be seen. I could still see them chattering with a tiller.

I attached a picture of the new cams I scanned in from the copy the dealer gave to me. I love a good dealer.

I was informed today from Dave Miller a Rep. from the Northern Division of Kubota, that Kubota will not do this repair for me since my PTO is working even though it still ratchets. You would have thought that in the two times that my PTO has failed that they would have installed these new cams. Maybe I need to load up my tractor and take it to your dealer. What division is your Kubota dealer in? The Northern Division of Kubota don't see it this way as I was told today that Kubota is not obligated to do this new one-way cam exchange under customer complaint for ratcheting cams and that someone had doctored the service bulletin and then posted it on TBN, which when I was told this, I said that was it was BS. If it was doctored I bet it was Kubota that doctored it. I lost what little respect that I had for Kubota Tractor Corp after talking to them today.

 

[Scott in IN]

I'm getting the same story as hamer... Maybe since we are both in Indiana? My dealer said they discussed the PTO problem during some Kubota meeting and they were told that it's not a problem and if the PTO broke it's because someone was running it without the protection of a slip clutch.

I still don't know how some guys are getting them replaced for free and I was told that I'd have to pay? Regardless, mine is still clacking away with my bushhog and I hope it doesn't become a problem. I was also wanting to buy a tiller for my garden but now I'm rethinking it (which kind of honks me off).

 

[mjfox6]

I was informed today from Dave Miller a Rep. from the Northern Division of Kubota, that Kubota will not do this repair for me since my PTO is working even though it still ratchets. You would have thought that in the two times that my PTO has failed that they would have installed these new cams. Maybe I need to load up my tractor and take it to your dealer. What division is your Kubota dealer in? The Northern Division of Kubota don't see it this way as I was told today that Kubota is not obligated to do this new one-way cam exchange under customer complaint for ratcheting cams and that someone had doctored the service bulletin and then posted it on TBN, which when I was told this, I said that was it was BS. If it was doctored I bet it was Kubota that doctored it. I lost what little respect that I had for Kubota Tractor Corp after talking to them today.

Let me assure you that I did not doctor it.

Goog, I'm glad you caught the differences, I was just looking at the pictures!

 

[DanielTerence]

Mine also was not altered, it came straight from the dealer who got it off the Kubota website.

 

[8226hamer]

Let me assure you that I did not doctor it.

Goog, I'm glad you caught the differences, I was just looking at the pictures!

mjfox6, I know you did not doctor this service bulletin. The way I see it is that these tractors that were put out by Kubota that do have the old style cams were put out in 2005 and if Kubota can put it off without having to do this repair in another year the warranty will be up on most of these tractors and then the owners will be having to pay. When the bulletin you posted was first put oiut, it was in 2005 and I have no doubt that it said that when a customer complaint is heard they were susposed to order and install the new type cams Kubota then was willing to do the right thing, but now in 2007 they just have about a year and now they have a different outlook on the situation. I'm sure the guys that have had the new cams installed, the dealer that did it was refering to the bulletin that was issued in 2005.

 

[ccsial]

it's not clear to me that the failures that Hammer experienced were related to the ratcheting. They may have been caused by the pounding on the faces in the forward direction caused by the constant loading and unloading of the roto-tiller tines.Terry

That is my take too. There should not be much compliance in the PTO system. Those cams can chatter (pounding to death) too much. They should be a positive engagement of some kind like my 1910.

 

[GMtb42]

From all the reading I get that the L2800-L3400 that are manual shift do not have this problem , but I have a L2800DT-F that clicks real bad , so do I need to worry ?
And just saw about the jerking 3 point , maybe I should have bought Green or Blue .

 

[Chris2]

Ok i'm another 2005 L2800 HST owner, I called my dealer to ask about this problem. He called the service rep and within 5 min. had an answer and got the new one way cams on order, they should be in Friday and I will drop my tractor off next week.

 

[8226hamer]

From all the reading I get that the L2800-L3400 that are manual shift do not have this problem , but I have a L2800DT-F that clicks real bad , so do I need to worry ?
And just saw about the jerking 3 point , maybe I should have bought Green or Blue .

I would call your dealer and ask them about this service bulletin and the valve exchange for the 3 point lift. If your dealer is not out of the Northern Kubota Division it sound as if you will get the new cams installed in your tractor. If you have the Northern Kuibota Division you must have complete PTO failure before they will do the exchange and then they may or may not do it. Good luck on you quest.