L4300 VS L3830

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dos_perros

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Kubota L4330 HST,Kubota '06 RTV
I am a tractor novice. Will be improving 55 acres of hilly, sloped land. Jobs planned: grading two gravel roads, brush clearing, tree removal, minor logging, general maintenance. Have narrowed search to above Kubotas. Both will be equipped with max load capacity FEL with HD bucket. Box scraper will be Gearmore industrial 2G2 with tilt hydraulics. Have driven both units. Manual transmission not a problem for me. Have driven manual trucks for years. HP of L4300 with increased torque appeal to me. Added features of L3830 are nice, but don't seem necessary. Will appreciate any quidance given. Thank for the help. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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dos_perros, that decision would be a no brainer for me, because I, too, have driven manual transmissions for years; so long in fact that I appreciate automatics, HST, etc. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Especially for FEL work, I'd go with the L3830, but that's for me. Your preference may be different and they're both good tractors. You don't want to buy something someone else likes best; buy what you like best. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / L4300 VS L3830
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Omitted that both L4300 and L3830 models that I am looking at are syncro manual transmissions. Only difference is that L3830 has a "shuttle." My main questions are related to relative value of additional HP and torque of L4300 VS L3830 and the relative value of the other features of the L grande series. L4300 is described as a "basic" tractor. Thanks again.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Omitted that both L4300 and L3830 models that I am looking at are syncro manual transmissions.)</font>

Unless things have changed recently, the L4300 is not a
synchronized manual transmission.

I was as well adamant on having a manual transmission.
Fortunately it wasn't an option for the model which I
decided. If you will be doing any amount of loader
or start-stop work, you may want do some very serious
test-drive of manual vs. HST models.
 
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Thank you for information about positive aspect of HST. Would appreciate imput from owners of a L4300, i.e. advantages, satisfaction, etc. Will be making purchase within a week. Pricing of both units has been settled. Next step is which one to pick!
 
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<font color="blue">…both L4300 and L3830 models that I am looking at are syncro manual transmissions…</font>

The L4300 is an 8/2 sliding gear tranny… not synchro…

On the L4300… While stopped, you pick a speed, put it in gear and go… no shifting on the fly… no back and forth “shuttling” if doing loader work… you will have to stop each time - in each direction… but for general field work, a sliding gear unit is a proven, reliable simple transmission…

The L4300’s extra 5 ½ PTO hp will always come in handy… especially with that brush hogging…

Most of the “leader” models have “reduced” hydraulic horsepower…

I’m a sucker for hi-tech electronics… That Grande L dash is SEXY… and extremely informative and functional… I want one!

Synchro and shuttle shift transmission on the L3830 is super nice for loader operation and shifting on the fly…

The “increase” in hydraulic hp on the L3830 will give you faster hydraulic action with the loader or any external hydraulic device hooked up… along with more “umph!”

The L4300 has more torque, but the L3830 with its longer stroke will have more torque reserve… this will be especially noticeable while brush hogging thick stuff and realizing a “faster recovery” or by maintaining a higher average PTO hp output in this type of situation…

I’ll assume the pricing on both is comparable… someday down the road… come trade or sale time… the L3830 should give you a better return on your initial dollar… and all the years of that quality seat time, I’d prefer those extra “bells & whistles” that actually translate to a more enjoyable work experience… on the L3830… /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Thank you, JohnMiller3, for very clear and useful information. I am not wedded to a gear transmission. The pricing on the L3830 DT and the L4300, with identical attachments, is close and not a deciding factor. I was attracted by the relative simplicity of the L4300 and its added HP. By adding the LA682 FEL, the hydraulic difference is minimized. Since the net wts. of the two units, as equipped, is about the same, I thought that the added HP would be useful for jobs I described - 4 cylinders, increased torque, etc. Since I will be dealing with land that is frequently sloped and brushy, am I on the wrong tract? Thanks again.
 
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I can't comment on the Paleozoic manual transmissions because I have never and would never consider them. But I am confident that the one that is more "HST-like" would be preferable to me. Which sounds like the 3830.

Other things being equal, for your acreage and jobs, the more power the better. But there is no clean answer to the power question between your two choices. The 3830 has more hydraulic power (read loader and 3ph power) while the 4300 has more horsepower (read pto power). On balance, I would choose the 3830 for the gizmos, gadgets and all the reasons JM3 set forth.

However, I think BOTH tractors are underpowered for 55 acres and all the work you will be doing. Pardon my saying so--you are asking for our opinion before you commit to an important purchase--but your "confident tone" about the two choices you have settled on belies your admitted lack of tractor experience. That reminds me of myself. I read this forum for many months (almost memorizing it), researched tractors, made dozens of visits to dealerships, selected and bought the "perfect" tractor for my needs--all without asking for opinions here. I wisely bought a BX2200. The problem is that I did not understand my needs. I traded it in two weeks later for a B2910. Almost three years later, I am now trading up to an L3430.

A 3430 is one notch below a 3830. I have 11 acres. You have 55, with much bigger projects in mind than me. I think you should be considering at least the 4330, because that will give you a big leap up from the 3830 in hydraulic power, beat the 4300 in torque, and come closer to the 4300 in hp.

Cost, you say. Well, I know. But not having the proper tool is a cost, too. Also keep in mind that this tractor will outlive you and maybe your kids, so the few thousand more of initial cost is in a sense amortized over decades. Plus, the sainted HST is less than $500 more than GST on the 4330.

Good luck. It ain't easy buying a tractor.
 
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Glenmac, you're scaring me now. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I just signed a contract for a L3830 HST, a step up from the 3130 I was originally looking at, to take care of various chores on my 40 acres. As an admitted tractor novice, I'm hoping that I'm not buying too small for the tasks that I have in mind. Everyone here says to pick the tractor that suits your needs, but if you've never used a tractor before, how do you know what your needs really are? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Anyway, to the original poster, since you said you'll be getting a loader, I'd seriously rethink the HST transmission. I went to the dealer and first drove a GST, and thought that it was pretty cool, easy to use. Shuttling back and forth with the stalk on the steering wheel didn't appear too difficult; even my wife (who was test driving too) didn't have a problem. Afterwards I needed to back the tractor back into its parking slot; this is where I felt uncomfortable with the GST. When twisted half around in the seat, looking backwards and steering with one hand, I didn't confident trying to control the speed and small forward/back movements easily. Over to the HST, it was really easy; stomp on the reverse portion of the pedal, wait, slowly ease up, then tap the forward direction to overcorrect. Did I mention I'm the impatient type? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

If you're not doing much loader work (field work) then the GST may be better; but I figured that any CUT isn't really going to handle ground-type work too well, which appears to require 50-75 HP. So I'm taking the advice I've gotten here and am planning on a UT at some point, although now I'm starting to wonder if I should have gotten a UT first, and a CUT second.
 
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The L4330 will get you a stronger FEL, the LA853. For my farm use I would not have anything less than the LA853. I do have smaller loaders and they don't compare in lifiting ability, and the weaker loaders make my tree farm days longer. Your already looking at a good size tractor, the size differance is small. Only you really know what you need, but a little extra is not bad on a FEL tractor.

As far a the trans choices, I was a straight gear fan.... not anymore though. The HST is very nice, but I didn't want to go too soft, I have the GST /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think its the best of both worlds. I have large size 15 feet attached to long legs and the HST pedal did not work for me. It was to close to the seat and made my leg cramp. It was all or nothing, which dosen't work on the HST. The more you push the higher the ratio. Reverse would have been a real pain for me. With the GST my feet do almost nothing when bush hogging and I love the seat, dash, frame size, adjustable steering column.

Paint it green and it would be perfect /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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