Villengineer
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I'll try and answer both posts.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You see things different than me.. I read these documents and conclude that Yanmar is saying that you can not sell any grey in the us period.....You say that it does not effect Joe down the street????
I don't understand your thinking.....)</font>
First, Yanmar can tell eBay whatever they want, it doesn't make it fact. Yanmar has a ruling involving a guy who was importing tractors and had an obviously un-authorized chain of "Yanmar" dealerships. That 1) means it is illegal for Wallace to import and sell Yanmars and 2) sets precedence as far as future lawsuits against importers and/or dealers are concerned. This does NOT mean that any governing body has passed a law forbidding the PRIVATE ownership, purchase, or sale of these tractors. Every indication given is that eBay VOLUNTARILY complied with Yanmar's request, most likely to simply avoid the expense of any potential lawsuit or investigation. That's their perogative. This ruling also currently only affects Yanmar manufactured tractors. It can however be used by other OEMs in lawsuits if they too choose to pursue this path. How does this affect you? Well, it may be difficult for you to re-sell your tractor on eBay (although they are still being sold on eBay) and in the future you may not be able to go to a "grey Yanmar dealer" to buy another tractor. Neither Yanmar nor the police are going to show up at your house to confiscate your tractor. If you put a for sale sign on it in your front lawn, you aren't breaking any current law.
I apparently stand corrected on the aftermarket, but if anyone else were to be treading on thin ice it may end up being them.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wonder why a Japaneese rice farmer who has a good used tractor can export it to the US or else where but we can't buy or sell them... We are talking used... Yanmar made the money that they intended to make when they sold the thing to the Japanees farmer )</font> I doubt the farmers are exporting them. More likely it's a set-up like an auto-auction: the farmer trades it in, the dealership doesn't want it, sends it to auction or an exporter, tractor leaves Japan. Yanmar probably could care less if the tractors go to Viet, China, etc..just the US market. Here they have to spend $ to keep from having to fork over lots of $ in liability suits. In other countries there are no such systems or they are very limited. This most likely has more to do with extra expense tied to these tractors than competition with future sales of new tractors.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( When they start selling new tractors here I aint buying unless they give me FMV for my used Yanmar )</font> Good luck, I would guess that if they ever do that the number one rule for their dealers will be to stay away from "grey" units or loose their dealership. Now, I could see them give you a token "buy back" if you bought a new one, because they could start removing them from the market that way.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You see things different than me.. I read these documents and conclude that Yanmar is saying that you can not sell any grey in the us period.....You say that it does not effect Joe down the street????
I don't understand your thinking.....)</font>
First, Yanmar can tell eBay whatever they want, it doesn't make it fact. Yanmar has a ruling involving a guy who was importing tractors and had an obviously un-authorized chain of "Yanmar" dealerships. That 1) means it is illegal for Wallace to import and sell Yanmars and 2) sets precedence as far as future lawsuits against importers and/or dealers are concerned. This does NOT mean that any governing body has passed a law forbidding the PRIVATE ownership, purchase, or sale of these tractors. Every indication given is that eBay VOLUNTARILY complied with Yanmar's request, most likely to simply avoid the expense of any potential lawsuit or investigation. That's their perogative. This ruling also currently only affects Yanmar manufactured tractors. It can however be used by other OEMs in lawsuits if they too choose to pursue this path. How does this affect you? Well, it may be difficult for you to re-sell your tractor on eBay (although they are still being sold on eBay) and in the future you may not be able to go to a "grey Yanmar dealer" to buy another tractor. Neither Yanmar nor the police are going to show up at your house to confiscate your tractor. If you put a for sale sign on it in your front lawn, you aren't breaking any current law.
I apparently stand corrected on the aftermarket, but if anyone else were to be treading on thin ice it may end up being them.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wonder why a Japaneese rice farmer who has a good used tractor can export it to the US or else where but we can't buy or sell them... We are talking used... Yanmar made the money that they intended to make when they sold the thing to the Japanees farmer )</font> I doubt the farmers are exporting them. More likely it's a set-up like an auto-auction: the farmer trades it in, the dealership doesn't want it, sends it to auction or an exporter, tractor leaves Japan. Yanmar probably could care less if the tractors go to Viet, China, etc..just the US market. Here they have to spend $ to keep from having to fork over lots of $ in liability suits. In other countries there are no such systems or they are very limited. This most likely has more to do with extra expense tied to these tractors than competition with future sales of new tractors.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( When they start selling new tractors here I aint buying unless they give me FMV for my used Yanmar )</font> Good luck, I would guess that if they ever do that the number one rule for their dealers will be to stay away from "grey" units or loose their dealership. Now, I could see them give you a token "buy back" if you bought a new one, because they could start removing them from the market that way.
