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Said goodbye to my 14 yr old lab/chessie mix a couple weeks ago. Time to downsize in the dog department. Kids are all gone and we will be traveling more and even though I love labs they are a little big to travel with. Still want a dog to hunt with but am thinking about trying upland bird hunting as we travel down south. Would be nice to try pheasant, quail, turkey, dove and some of the other birds I have heard about. Was thinking maybe one of those tolling retrievers might be a good size, combination of skills or maybe a ???? Always had good luck with mutts that found us but it is time for us to find one. Any suggestions?
Rick
 
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Said goodbye to my 14 yr old lab/chessie mix a couple weeks ago. Time to downsize in the dog department. Kids are all gone and we will be traveling more and even though I love labs they are a little big to travel with. Still want a dog to hunt with but am thinking about trying upland bird hunting as we travel down south. Would be nice to try pheasant, quail, turkey, dove and some of the other birds I have heard about. Was thinking maybe one of those tolling retrievers might be a good size, combination of skills or maybe a ???? Always had good luck with mutts that found us but it is time for us to find one. Any suggestions?
Rick

I'm interested in the turkey and dove hunting with dogs!

How does that go, again? ;)
 
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Sorry to hear you lost such a long time friend Rick. Wife and I have no children so our pets are our children.
 
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Thanks Randy even with kids our dog is part of the family.

Other than ptarmigan and waterfowl I have never hunted any birds Kevin. I would assume a dog could help find and retrieve doves and as far as turkey goes my dog goes deer hunting with me and just stays by my side unless I am looking for one that has rolled down the mountain, then she looks too so I would think they could do that too. I am looking forward to learning a few new things as well as trying some new taste treats:)
Rick
 
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Sorry to hear about your loss TFC.

How 'bout the local shelters? Have you checked any out? Always lots of lab-mixes and retriever types in our local shelters here in NC.
 
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So sorry to year about the loss of your loyal companion. What about a spaniel? Aren't springer spaniels pretty good bird dogs?
 
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Rick...sorry about your dog...

We had labs for close to twenty years...two separate yellows. We have been w/o a dog for about five years for many of the reasons you mentioned but are beginning to think about getting another dog. Going through much the same thought process about potentially "downsizing". Out thought is 40-50#s might be better than 70-80#s. There are many hunting dog breeds under 50#s to consider.

One thing I came across is the term "canoe lab"...which is essentially a lab bred to the smaller size. Something we may look at. I think you could google and find a guy in Tenn (I think) that has a couple of litters of canoe labs a year...Robert Milner (I searched :) This allows the personality/traits of a lab with smaller size.

Good luck on your search...keep us posted...Tom R
 
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Thanks guys....
I have never heard of canoe labs Tom but will check them out, would be great to still have a lab only smaller. I wonder if they would live longer, being smaller? That was one of the reasons I was thinking about a tolling retriever.
'Rick
 
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Thanks guys....
I have never heard of canoe labs Tom but will check them out, would be great to still have a lab only smaller. I wonder if they would live longer, being smaller? That was one of the reasons I was thinking about a tolling retriever.
'Rick[/QUOTE

So sorry to hear about your Dog....Have you considered a Brittany...They are the American version of the Brittany Spaniel...I have a Brittany and he is a great bird dog and companion...Google " Brittany " They are very loving and easy going.:)
 
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The best bird dog I ever had was a dumply looking little field bred springer spaniel. In all the years we hunted, she never missed a retrieve. If I brought it down, she found it, either upland or hunting ducks over decoys, no matter how heavy the cover. She worked heavy brush cover like a champion. Several times I got good shooting working 100 yards behind another group with dogs. She would kick out pheasant that other dogs walked right past.
 
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Here's another vote for the springer. If this one has a fault it is that she is to affectionate (which isn't much of a fault in my book). She's happiest sleeping on my foot - so I can't sneak away without her. I don't hunt any more, but she loves - no, she lives - to play ball and won't come back without it. Doesn't roam, but loves to be out in the woods around the house as long as I'm outside. Just a perfect family dog, too.

Me biased?, naah, but she's reading over my shoulder. <G>
 
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It's freaky that in this corrupt world of strife we are witnessing ... a constant source of solace is our dogs.

Always happy to live in the moment with no worries. If only I could do that.

The one thing I have learned is that the only thing that lessens the pain of the loss is getting another to focus onto ......... maybe that's why we always have had two or three of different ages.
 
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Looks like a lot of votes for springers. The best dog I have ever had was 1/4 springer the rest lab. How does a straight springer handle the cold? and cold water?
Our shelter when I do get into town has mostly straight labs, too big and little ankle biters. We are going to be driving down south for a couple of months this winter and will be looking as we travel We have always had a couple of dogs but our 16 yr old lab passed last year. Might have to catch a fox for some company and as my wife has already been looking in town, almost got a pug puppy but when I mentioned a eagle carrying it off she reconsidered:D

The only Brittany I have ever known was high strung, are they generally that way?
Thanks for the input guys.
Rick
 
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Rick....All I can say is my Brittany, Jake, is not high strung at all. He loves to sleep on my foot just like another poster posted about his dog..Somehow I think Dogs adapt to their masters personality....Just and observation..



Looks like a lot of votes for springers. The best dog I have ever had was 1/4 springer the rest lab. How does a straight springer handle the cold? and cold water?
Our shelter when I do get into town has mostly straight labs, too big and little ankle biters. We are going to be driving down south for a couple of months this winter and will be looking as we travel We have always had a couple of dogs but our 16 yr old lab passed last year. Might have to catch a fox for some company and as my wife has already been looking in town, almost got a pug puppy but when I mentioned a eagle carrying it off she reconsidered:D

The only Brittany I have ever known was high strung, are they generally that way?
Thanks for the input guys.
Rick
 
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Rick....All I can say is my Brittany, Jake, is not high strung at all. He loves to sleep on my foot just like another poster posted about his dog..Somehow I think Dogs adapt to their masters personality....Just and observation..

Bird dogs are athletes that need a lot of exercise, particularly when they are young. When people plaintively ask, "Where is the off switch on this dog?" I tell them it is at the other end of a five mile run. Brittanys are pointers and bred to be big runners. You have to let them do that, or you end up with a crazy dog.
 
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Looks like a lot of votes for springers. The best dog I have ever had was 1/4 springer the rest lab. How does a straight springer handle the cold? and cold water?
Rick

A springer is not a Chessie. Mine didn't have any trouble retrieving in cold water, but sitting in the blind she needed shelter from the wind in freezing weather. So did I, for that matter. I carried a blanket for her. Nowadays, I would probably put her in a neoprene vest. For working upland, I run into a lot of wind and sleet in near freezing temperatures. I call it "spaniel weather." The dogs love it.

I live in Western Oregon, so the lowest temperature I ever see is about 15 degrees. As long as they are dry and have shelter from the wind, I have never had a dog that showed any discomfort outside. I have covered kennels with well padded Igloo style PVC dog houses.

I had a Chessie once, and even he got cold in the back of a pickup in freezing weather. Spaniels are great family dogs, so yours will probably end up sleeping at the foot of the bed anyway. :)

For springers, the Canadians do a lot better job of breeding hunting dogs. The AKC breeds floofy coats that you have to keep clipped. Canadian field bred dogs have shorter coats.
 
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Looks like a lot of votes for springers. The only Brittany I have ever known was high strung, are they generally that way?
Rick

Rick...My impression...from research and observation...is that Brittany's may be more "high strung" on "average" that a lab may be on "average". As I have research other dogs to replace our labs...I keep coming back to the basic lab personality/demeanor...which tends to be pretty laid back (especially after they grow out of puppyhood :)...they are also pretty easy "maintenance"...ie coat care.

I do like the English Springer which also would be a bit more "energetic" than perhaps a lab.

You can research and look hard for "calm" breeding lines...such as the British Labs and Springers. The British hunt trials require extremely calm dogs while waiting and reject what might be called "high strung" traits such as whining while "on the line" or other behavior that American lab trailers might just describe as "aggressive". BTW...I am not judging which "trial" methods are best...just that the odds of a "calm" dog might be greater with lines bread for calm...such as the British. There are many US breeders of "British" lines...some much more directly related to British lines. Google Wildrose kennels in Mississippi...which appears to be one of the premier US breeders of British labs...many championship imported stud dogs and *******...appears to be a very well organized high quality business.

I am also on the waiting list at Anderson's British Labs near Minneapolis...takes about a year before you surface to have litter choices...I like Wildrose better...but Anderson's are also very good and MUCH closer. BTW...Anderson's placed a British lab with VP Dick Cheney and an English Springer imported from UK for George HW Bush.

We need to decide pretty soon IF/what type of puppy we want :)...Tom R
 
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I looked up Brittany's on the web and they looked promising as well as springers. The canoe labs looked good. I have owned many dogs over the years and they have all found me, even the pups. Never have had a pure bred or even bought one. It is a little overwhelming.
You mentioned kennels Larry, are you a breeder?
At the rate my construction is going I am going to be lucky to be out of here before thanksgiving but we are planning on driving to Oregon in mid dec so that gives me time to look around on here plus maybe even check out some BC breeders on the way down. Thanks for the input and condolences guys and who knows maybe someone will have an accident and there will be some lab/springer/brittany female that won't get bigger than 35 lbs show up.
Rick
 
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You mentioned kennels Larry, are you a breeder?

Nope, just a soft hearted sucker. I currently have 5 dogs, a Picardy Spaniel, a Blue Picardy Spaniel, a chocolate Lab, a Large Munsterlander, and a little Heinz 57 that is just cute that my wife hauled home. The Lab was a stray and the Munsterlander was a rescue, who had been bounced from place to place until he found a home here. The Picardy Spaniel is our oldest. She has hip dysplasia, and has run her final hunt. We're taking her in to be put down tomorrow. She can still walk, but has to be helped up sometimes, and is in pretty constant pain. It's time.

It's very sad, because she is only 12 years old, and in great shape otherwise. She was just the product of a greedy breeder who wanted to make some bucks selling a rare breed even though he knew his breeding stock carried genes for CHD.

Like you, I had planned to downsize my dogs. I figure a 40 lb. dog can do anything an 80 lb. dog can do, and is easier to care for. Things didn't work out. Five years ago, a lab showed up on a 104 degree day swimming in my front yard. He was the most pitiful thing you ever saw, about 9 months old, and what coat he had was either full of scabs or gone completely. He was so starved he could only eat half a dozen kibbles at a time. Of course I took him in. He's not much of a hunting dog, though. He's the worst boot polisher I have ever had. The only way he will retrieve a bird is if I go with him. :{

Last spring my wife and I saw an ad in the paper for a free trained large Munsterlander with NAVHDA test results. A trained bird dog is worth at least $2000, so we figured he would find a home easily. I was tempted, but a Large Munsterlander is way bigger than I wanted for a hunting dog. The next thing we know, he showed up in an adoption ad from a local animal shelter. The guy who adopted him kept him for 24 hours and dumped him at the shelter, because the dog barked when left alone in the yard. When we got to the shelter, he had been fostered into another home on his way to a breed rescue organization. We had to arm wrestle them for him, but we brought him home, where he quickly became part of the family. Once again he was in poor shape, about 30 lbs. underweight, and he had stress shed his entire undercoat. We kept him inside and covered him with a blanket to sleep so he didn't get cold, even inside the house. After good food and affection his coat came back, and yes, he is a hunter. He has a few bad habits, so I have to keep an e-collar on him.

I think you can see why I need kennels. The dogs like being outside during the day, and my house stays a lot nicer if it doesn't double as a dog run. When I am home, the dogs are loose. We have 93 acres and they have been trained not to go near the road, so they have a really big back yard. It's interesting that if I leave the kennel gates open, the dogs will often go back into their kennels to catch a nap.
 

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Sorry to hear of your Lab/Chessie. Your first inclination was a good one - the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever is a favourite up here. Smaller size, friendly demeanour and a great hunter. Good pets too.
 

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