namesray
Platinum Member
WOW!!!!! just dep and the conservation depts trying to justify their jobs a bit. i hate it when they do those things. i am a twnshp supervisor for a little twnshp in pa, and we went round and round with conservation and dep about the "proper" way to fix an issue of a creek jumping bank and flooding and washing out a dirt road just about every spring for the past couple years. "we" thought we had a 50ft right of way from the bridge that was close by to clean the creek approach and to allign water into the bridge. the problem was approx 50ft from a bridge. "we" didn't even dig in the creek, just piled clean #3 stone with top soil mix along the bend where the creek was jumping and created a dike, never touched the creek bed or dug anything. "our" project was done during a very dry time and seeded in fully vegitated. well conservation saw it later on, during the wet fall season and told "us" to get that dike out of there or fines will follow. dikes are illegal. so "we" tried to remove the dike during the wet fall time frame conservation gave "us" and what a mess made. there was more mud and land tear up trying to remove that dike then if it was just left in place. i finally had a meeting with conservation and told them their removal plan and timeframe is causing MORE environmental harm then if left alone. they did see it "our" way and gave a time extension through the next summer dry time. now dep/conservation's big plan is to raise the road up (sounds like a dike to me) and place 3 flood control pipes across the road and let the area naturally flood. it is poeples lawn and field on both sides of the road. what a joke. "can't construce a dike" or "do log/stone cribbing projects above 22" or so, but can raise the whole road up (only about 100ft from the creek away) and let the water "flow natrually", makes me want to kiss butterflies or something, ha ha ha!!! way to go dep and conservation, justify your jobs and waste tax payers money! i could see if "our" township hogged into the creek and tore it up and such, but "we" were so carefull and reseeded everything and all. it worked great too. cost only the stone/topsoil materials and hourly wage for the employees. now there is a MUCH bigger expence to do it "THEIR" way. i feel sorry for you and wish you luck. do some more investigating into this as alot of these townships are just elected citizens that are learning their job positions on the go. also take into consideration, clearing up 30 acres is a big area, and depending on where you are at,... they might look at that as a major project, sort of like commercial, and maybe that is where the erosion plan is comming in. i agree with a past post, don't get irate at first with them as sometimes you can catch more flys with honey then a swatter. it is too bad you can't just work with people now days, instead of all the complicated way things have become. after all, why should you have to pay to "plan" it out and those type of fees. township, dep, conservation already gets paid, let them do all that. you just pay for the supplies, which is expensive, but give and take. it is too bad everything costs so much money. no wonder people try to do everything underhanded now days. i bet if those e & s permits and plans didn't cost much, more people would do it dep/conservation's way. good luck!!!
