greasemonkeyok
Veteran Member
I had a friend once who had a personality disorder that caused him to perpetually have problems with persons in authority. I understand it is a treatable condition if you seek help.
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dmccarty
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If most of the LEOs in my area were arrogant and condescending you should move. I have known many officers, in multiple states, and I can only think of a few that match your description.
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Dan
Domush
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Biggreenavalanche said:
I did find your comments to be in bad taste...if you like cops, fine, you like cops, however a tractor forum is not the place to worship...try a church!
A topic regarding law enforcement where people state opinions both for and against law enforcement personnel and you berate only one side of the equation, interesting. And you say hypocrisy isn't an issue with most police? You consider yourself a decent guy and still practice it.
As for the profession not being a strong reason people, who otherwise would keep their egos in check, being arrogant and condescending? Power corrupts, and the profession has a primary purpose to arrest people.
The entire profession is based around hypocrisy. Police pull a gun on you and you're required to obey or be killed. You pull a gun on police, you will be killed. A cop stops and frisks you, you must allow it. You touch a cop, it's felony assault.
Police can detain you for any reason. Just try and detain a cop and you'll be in jail or a pine box within hours.
What, exactly, encourages manners and kindness to people outside said 'thin blue line'?
The golden rule ceases to apply when it is you who rules the gold. Some resist the urge to become jerks, others go swimming in the opportunity. The profession itself invites corruption and abuse. I agree completely with the original post. People don't want the headache of lawlessness but the alternative (police) is far from an ideal solution, so long as they are given the power to interpret or ignore laws as they please.
To think walking around with the means to kill anyone day after day doesn't corrupt the mind is just silly. Spend an evening at an off base military bar and see how authority to kill affects the reasonableness of people.
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k0ua
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Wow.. never knew there were so many cop haters..I was a cop for a short period (4 years) at a young age..I can assure you we or no-one in the profession around me tried to make old ladies cry. Now I don't know about cops in NY. never seen any. but down here cops generally are pretty good guys. I have hung out with and shot guns with lotsa cops for many years. And with the exception of a very few, they are great guys and dedicated pro's. They are people for sure, and I guess if you were an AH before you were a cop, I suppose you would be an AH while you were a cop. So I dunno guys about the most cops are AH's thing.. I haven't seen it. And as for walking around with a gun on all day causing you to have some kind of bully complex, that is pure BS as far as I am concerned.. Geez.. Not only cops carry guns all day you know. No.. I think you guys that hate cops are full of chit. That is my story and I am sticking to it.:thumbsup:
James K0UA
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Biggreenavalanche
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LOL, Domush, Point taken about "try a church"...
wasn't necessarily berating as much as defending...
don't know about all juridictions, just the ones I've worked in, however, in my jurisdiction my discresionary power extend only in the misdemeanor, not in the felony so my "interpret or ignore" should translate to enforce or not, and, if it is is a felony violation I have no choice, I must enforce...each time I deal with a person I take the entire situation into consideration and have to make a decision on the spot, without the benefit of a lawyer or judge, it can be stressful at times knowing that my decision could change the entire course of a person's life...
Yes, I know some LEOs who wear the badge who are arrogant, seems the badge puffs 'em up, however, the vast majority of my fellow LEOs are good folks...
Manners and courtsey outside the "blue line" are a product of raising, societal expectations, personal interactions which can change attitudes in an instant and simple respect for others...
and finally, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutley, however my "power" is not by any means absoulute...
Rich
Domush
Platinum Member
k0ua said:
Interesting how people read what they want to read. I didn't say carrying guns, I said the means to kill. That badge is the means, hence the comparison to the military authority. No others carry that badge all day. In fact, outside of police, most state laws cannot be enforced. But, of course, no corruption can result from that..
k0ua said:
A closed mind. I guess we're lucky you left after four years. Four years too many.
Interesting how it often seems to be people within the profession who jump up in praise of it. Because self regulation works so well in every other industry..
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Bird
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Maybe because others only think they know what they're talking about, instead of actually learning.:laughing:
Self regulation? How about the police chief, maybe a city manager, the elected mayor and council, the district attorney, and the courts who are going to review nearly everything an officer does.
The little town I live in now has something they call the Citizen's Police Academy in which, if you are willing to spend the time and effort, you can learn enough to actually know what you're talking about.
Domush
Platinum Member
Biggreenavalanche said:
Thanks for the kind reply, rich.
What do you see as a means to clean out the ones who do use the badge as a nickel plated chest puffer? I know there is a psychological exam prior to being hired. Do they continue on an ongoing basis?
Obviously I point to issues and not praise, and my reason is it is a volunteer profession like any other. Until the issues are fixed, it is a broken system and celebrating victory doesn't undo the defeats. In this case the defeats are peoples lives (and deaths). I think you'll agree, every bad cop puts the good ones at risk from poor public image and sentiment.
Being within the police dept, what do you think people can do to weed out the problem personnel? In my town it isn't awful, but it isn't great, either. Where do you think improvements would bring the greatest benefit to police and people outside the blue shirt?
Is it even a personnel issue? Is the law itself causing the biggest issue?
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k0ua
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A closed mind. I guess we're lucky you left after four years. Four years too many.
Interesting how it often seems to be people within the profession who jump up in praise of it. Because self regulation works so well in every other industry..[/COLOR
Yeah I sure got rich doing it too.. I made $5.25 an hour when I was all done. yep I was in it for the money..uh huh Yeah maybe it was lucky before I became a corrupt AH cop that just wanted to hurt people. Carrying that big old County badge on my chest and a .45ACP on my hip. I still have the badge, I traded of that particular .45 many years ago for a more concealable 9mm. I will have to try on that badge some time at home and look in the mirror and see If I become an instant AH. Maybe you think I already am..
James K0UA
Interesting how it often seems to be people within the profession who jump up in praise of it. Because self regulation works so well in every other industry..[/COLOR
Yeah I sure got rich doing it too.. I made $5.25 an hour when I was all done. yep I was in it for the money..uh huh Yeah maybe it was lucky before I became a corrupt AH cop that just wanted to hurt people. Carrying that big old County badge on my chest and a .45ACP on my hip. I still have the badge, I traded of that particular .45 many years ago for a more concealable 9mm. I will have to try on that badge some time at home and look in the mirror and see If I become an instant AH. Maybe you think I already am..
James K0UA
Domush
Platinum Member
Bird said:
I'll look into the citizens police. Thanks for the idea.
I can't comment as to the city council, mayor, etc, as I don't know how much power they have to review the police actions. I'll do some reading on that subject tonight.
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