Lazer on everything

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chucko

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I was looking at tools and god they even have a lazer pointer on a drill now so you can see where the hole will be drilled. I guess looking at the tip of the drill bit was too hard.
As I am ranting to the wife about this I say I should put one on my Bota so I can cut perfict rows in the garden. She say "what a great idea" as if the beans care if there is a small crook in a row
 
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Remember you always can get more in a crooked row. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I agree with the Laser's getting out of hand. I got a Craftsman saw with one and it helps me cut better but when my old man tries to use it, he is all over the place so he just turns it off and does it the old way and gets a much better cut.
The lasers do make for good movies when the guy is standing there and sees the little red dot on his chest! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I am a HUGE fan of laser levels. Involved with many projects it has proven to be a MOST valuable tool for finding studs, going around corners, keeping things in line, and of course leveling!

Mine does EAT batteries, but man I love this tool.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I agree. I like the lazer levels, but they seem to have gotten out of hand on other tools. I have a Makita drill with a nice little light on it that shines on the surface I'm drilling. It comes in handy in dim light situations. No lazer though. Another drill has a level in the handle to tell me when I'm drilling straight. I never look at it though; just wing it. It kind of reminds me of a watch these days, it's almost impossible to find one that just tells you what time it is. Too many gadgets and gizmos.

Tom
 
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I am a fan of the laser level as well, I had a 22' span that I had to get level and it came in very handy and it was quick doing it... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The other tools I have not used so I'm not sure if I would like them or not, But my thinking is they would be more of a distraction than a help ... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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A little bit of trivia for you fans of laser levels. They have created some problems and caused a few redefinitions.

Laser levels are neither completely level nor completely straight (if you carry it to the nth degree of accuracy).

The engineering definition of level involves relationship to the mass of the earth. A bubble or water level levels out with that relationship to show the true level at distant points. A laser level gets further out from true level as the distance from the laser emitter increases. For a standard home owner, this isn't an issue, but for large projects like shopping malls or tunnels and bridges, this can cause headaches. A typical 1/4 or 1/2 mile long shopping mall has to take into account the curvature of the earth as a design feature. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Well your probably thinking that if they aren't level then they should at least represent a perfectly straight line. They don't do that either. Gravity distorts the laser and deflects the path a minute but also measurable amount.

So what is a laser level actually PERFECT for? Only to show the true path that light takes from a given light source. It is neither straight, nor level.
 
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<font color="blue"> So what is a laser level actually PERFECT for? Only to show the true path that light takes from a given light source. It is neither straight, nor level. </font>

You just burst my bubble. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Don
 
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a powerful enough laser and you won't need a bit or blade /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Ben
 
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yea but those 18 volt batterys would not last too long
 
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OK Great!! getut just ruined it for everybody.... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I bet your a lotta fun at the library /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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If the earth is ROUND, how can anything be SQUARE!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Wahhhhhh.....

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Well your probably thinking that if they aren't level then they should at least represent a perfectly straight line. They don't do that either. Gravity distorts the laser and deflects the path a minute but also measurable amount. )</font>

So NOW your telling me I am neither straight nor level in my projects.

They should have some darn sticker on the thing warning of this. What happens now if and when I add another 300 stalls to my barn?

Great. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I should tell you that, since the batteries were being consumed at such a great rate, I actually used my magnetic level and old fashion can barely see the bubble levels for my last project, in addition to the laser. Total LUCK on my part, eh! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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if it were round all the water would run off! maybe I could put a laser on my box blade and make it flat.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Gravity distorts the laser...)</font>
By older models of physics, this was one portrayal of reality. The most modern models, however, portray a different reality. According to such models, gravity, rather than accelerating mass and energy, warps the space through which matter and energy waves move. Accelerometers on the Hubble telescope indicate that it is moving in a straight line (the accelerometers do not sense the "centrifugal force"-to borrow a term from Newtonian models) of Earth's gravity. Earth's gravity warps the space through which the satellite travels and as it moves though that space the accelerometers sense no delta V in any direction, yet the telescope moves in an eliptical orbit relative to the earth.

The same gravity, said above to affect the laser, also affects the space within which the structure exists and the light that provides the so called "line of sight". Light from the laser and light which provides the line of sight both travel through the same warped space. If one were to assert that gravity bends the laser beam but not the sunlight enabled "line of sight" to which the laser is being compared and contrasted, such an assertion would be fallacious.

The width of the moon, as measured in degrees and minutes from the surface of the earth, is actually slightly wider than that of the sun as measured from the surface of the earth. During a total solar eclipse, however, a "corona" is visible around the moon. This effect is not from Luna's (the actual name of Earth's moon) gravity bending the light from Sol (the actual name of Earth's star). Instead, Luna's gravity warps the space through which the sunlight is traveling, causing the appearance of the corona.

If you build a highway around the equator and every portion of it were at the same elevation MSL, then set in motion a car whose apparent speed never changed, an onboard accelerometer would indicate the same thing that an orbiting satellite would (discounting minute differences in Earth's density and shape which do cause minute gravitational differences at the surface): no delta V, even though the bed of the roadway is curving. Now since the surface of earth itself curves at a tighter radius than its gravity warps the space around the earth, the mild "curvature" of the space through which the beam travels, will not match the curvature of the earth's surface. You are correct regarding necessary compensation on projects like the English Channel Tunnel.

As you also say, a laser becomes more out of level in direct proportion to its distance from the source. This is because the light waves are relatively close to being parallel, but are not perfectly parallel. Thus, over a distance, the beam diffuses as does any flashlight, but over a greater distance.

Lastly, for those who may not be aware, the word LASER is an acronym for Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation. "Lazer" is an intentional misspelling for the purpose of a copyrighted brand name.
 
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So, in laymans terms, what your telling me is if - I take a running start at my LASER and accelerate fast enough following the beam, my walls will actually appear level to the distance I travel. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Good thing I use more than one tool to figure out if I get stuff straight. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Remember all lasers are not created equal. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Have you seen the commercial with the guy putting the shelf up and he has a bowling ball setting on it? The shelf is slightly tilted and the bowling ball drops into the fish tank and then upsets it.
I figure a laser is going to be closer than I can nail, screw or glue anything anyways so I'll take my chances.
 

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