Legal Carry ???

[SnowRidge]

A LEO might have more generous CCW carry options but being a LEO would not prevent the company for firing the officer/employee for violating company policy. Even if the employee/LEO was working within their jurisdiction. It would not make sense but we are not talking rational behavior anyway.

True, but I think that they would make an exception. The potential for bad press would be tremendous.

 

[dmccarty]

Hi Dan
I understand the logic but our govt bodies arent places of logic or even whats right.

Since it might be decided it court who knows what logic will occur.

I dont think its a shoe in just b/c they restricted guns on their property. Doing so doesnt necessarily mean theyve assumed responsibility for your protection/safety. Youre free to walk if you dont like the arrangement. Im sure theyd *never* sign a statement saying theyre responsible for your safety beyond workplace issues. How it turned out *if* it went to court would completely depend on where it happened.

Yep the lawyers will have to make some good arguments and I can think of a few myself. The companies will certainly argue that you could walk if you don't like. But that might be a tough story in front of a jury. Especially if the lawyers showed how much money the executives made and how little money was paid to protect the employees. And then the company took away the employees ability to protect himself...

OTOH signage must comply w/ the law. I believe NC stipulates how they must be posted and what they look like. If they dont comply then those criminal charges would be dropped.

The NC statutes state the signage requirement. No signage then the CCW holder is ok. Now the controller of the shop/store/property could see what was being carried and ask you to leave. If you don't they could call 911 and have you tresspassed. Which the officer may or may not do but might.

Bottom line is that unless your state allows you to keep the bang bang in the vehicle at work you can get fired if the carry violates company policy. Even if it IS legal the company can still fire you and your only recourse is a lawsuit. You ain't going to be getting a pay check.

Later,
Dan

 

[Soundguy]

I believe youre thinking of VT b/c NH definitely has a formal CCW process for res & nonres holders.

ETA VT and NH are some what out of step w/ the remainder of new england...on a whole its not at all gun friendly.

Could be.. My BB of gun laws is at home. But I knew it was one of them 'nauthern' states..

Soundguy

 

[Podunkadunk]

Could be.. My BB of gun laws is at home. But I knew it was one of them 'nauthern' states..

Soundguy

Yeah, it's VT Soundguy, I knew you must have made a typo, cause I remember reading another post you did a while back where you were talking about VT's extremely lax attitude on possession/carrying. I remember googling it afterward and was shocked that a "nauthern" state was leading the way on liberal (true meaning of the word, not to be confused with a Demoncrap's way of thinking) gun issues.

 

[jimg]

VT's extremely lax attitude on possession/carrying

I would call it {progressive | right minded | correct | common sense} rather than lax.

Dan,
When I talked about a signage requirement I meant that there were specific reqs for where the sign should be posted, its size etc ala VA. VA has very specific reqs which must be followed if theyre to be used as evidence of improper CC.

 

[Podunkadunk]

I would call it {progressive | right minded | correct | common sense} rather than lax.

Yep, you're correct. As is stands, my choice of an adjective was no doubt, lax. "Correct", "Traditionally American" or many others would have been a better word than "lax". I think everyone on this site knows my point of view on gun matters...I should have chosen a word that wouldn't be a misleading representation of my views.

Thanks for the "mid-course steer" .

Podunk

 

[DieselPower]

As a proud gun owner and holder of 11 CCW permits from different states here's my view. It's their property and they should be allowed to allow or restrict weapons on their property. I kind of feel that the same rights that allow me to carry a weapon should allow a property owner to disallow it on "their" property. Some stores I have been to ban CCW in their stores and it's a simple choice for me, I don't shop there. If I had a job at a place that banned weapons on their property I would most likely find employment elsewhere. I'm all for gun rights but I'm also for property rights.

 

[LMTC]

As a proud gun owner and holder of 11 CCW permits from different states here's my view. It's their property and they should be allowed to allow or restrict weapons on their property. I kind of feel that the same rights that allow me to carry a weapon should allow a property owner to disallow it on "their" property. Some stores I have been to ban CCW in their stores and it's a simple choice for me, I don't shop there. If I had a job at a place that banned weapons on their property I would most likely find employment elsewhere. I'm all for gun rights but I'm also for property rights.

I'm inclined agree in general, as I too am deeply committed to personal property rights. I do think the right to life trumps personal property rights, and the right to life inherently includes a right to defend one's life, IMO. Since one has a choice of whether or not to enter a particular private property, or whether or not to work at a particular place, I am probably in agreement that the property owner can insist on anyone entering being disarmed. I can not agree with that for any publicly held property....and anything "owned" or managed by OUR government that allows access to the general public should not be allowed to restrict our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Conundrum.....we have allowed our government to moderate private property rights to the extent that property owners who rent habitable buildings can be forced, indeed are forced, by legislation to rent to people whose behavior may violate the property owner's personal standards, morals, and/or deeply held religious convictions. So why should we flinch at legislating that property owners, at least those who give the public general access to their property (stores, etc.) allow those so inclined to be armed? I would think that to be consistent anyone who thinks business owners can insist on people being disarmed would then have to support a property owner's right to choose who to allow/not allow access to their property for any reason.

 

[ultrarunner]

Being a reserved Police Officer does not let you carry a weapon in Oakland California unless you are on duty.

Your firearm must be left at the Police Station after your shift.

 

[Spiveyman]

...Ky had a ruling on this and stated the employer may restrict carrying in the building but could not restrict a CCW licensed person from having a weapon in his vehicle on company property.

OAG 98 - 12

"Employers may not prohibit duly licensed employees from keeping concealed deadly weapons in personally owned vehicles parked on employer痴 premises."

Interesting, my KY company prohibits firearms in vehicles on company property. If found, you will lose your job. However, they have more of a "don't ask, don't tell" practicality to the policy. Many people have them, but the company line is, don't be waiving it around the parking lot or showing it off to your friends. If they don't see it, they won't go looking. This has pretty much worked out. I didn't realize that law existed, but it is good to know.

I have my CCDW and carry either on my person or in my truck every where I go. When I took the class many years ago, a property holder could ask you not to carry, and like mentioned above, if you chose to, then you'd be arrested for trespassing, not carrying. In general though KY has great laws for gun owners.

As for "not safe" and "be a man" and "find another rout," I don't think that's very helpful. You never know when or where you are going to come across a nutjob that wants to kill you. They don't have signs, "no homicidal nutjobs allowed on this side of town." I don't want to take any chances and be in a spot where I cannot defend myself or my family. If someone does something stupid around my family they are going to have bullet holes in them from several directions. My wife can out shoot me, and my kids will be reloading for us until they can shoot for themselves.