Legal Carry ???

[Sigarms]

TheFN - that's my favorite. .308 with an integral bi-pod, "the right arm of the free world." It's not full auto, but squeezing that puppy off as fast as I can it sure feels good. Enough to get a 5 gal bucket dancing in the air.

You're probably a better man than myself, but for myself, shooting a shoulder fired rifle in 7.62 on full auto is a waste of time. Too much muzzle rise and a waste of ammo, again, at least for myself.

 

[Soundguy]

If your sheriff won't sign, you have a few other options.. sometimes a federal judge, or a states attorney.

You also have a 'push/shove' option and file a type of 'show cause' lawsuit against the sheriff.. IE.. make them either show proof why you can't have it.. etc. However.. that one doesn't gain you any brownie points hauling the sheriff into court to make them do their job...

Last option is to form a corporation.. and get aroun fthe LEO certification... but then you are having to pay a coprorate filing fee every year to own your gun... etc.

Luckilly where I live, the sheriff 'usually' signs.

soundguy

Sandman, That would be awesome. Right now I live in Lexington, KY - very... uh... let's just say that the sheriff, well, she won't sign off on the class III deal, nor will the county coroner, so in Lex that law doesn't seem to help the private citizens. However, we plan to move to Richmond, closer to or out on our farm in the spring. They are much more "rural" of a town than Lex and we should have better luck. Of course then there's the matter of the finances. My gun money is tied up in tractor stuff right now. I actually sold the Thompson to assist in the FEL budget. I loved the Thompson, but a semi-auto Thompson is pitiful. Full auto, it would probably be my fav too. I tried one of those external trigger mods for my AR-15. Worked kind of well. You could get a few bursts before it jammed. I used wolf in my first AR and I think the steel jackets damaged the feed ramp (not sure) but it wasn't too reliable. Never bothered with that thing on my current AR. Use better ammo and have never had a problem. But it's still semi. The FN - that's my favorite. .308 with an integral bi-pod, "the right arm of the free world." It's not full auto, but squeezing that puppy off as fast as I can it sure feels good. Enough to get a 5 gal bucket dancing in the air.

I went to the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot but the day I was there they only rented .50 cal and flame throwers, no smaller arms. Oh well. Maybe next time.

 

[Soundguy]

You're probably a better man than myself, but for myself, shooting a shoulder fired rifle in 7.62 on full auto is a waste of time. Too much muzzle rise and a waste of ammo, again, at least for myself.

I think the whole concept of private ownership of a full auto weapon is the waste of time / ammo that comes with the ownership.

Kinda like owning an antique / classis roadster type car that gets 3-4mpg, but is all chromed and cherry'd up and can bark the tires in all gears.. etc. IE.. no practical value.. just 'big boy toys'.. etc..

soundguy

 

[the_sandman_454]

I think the whole concept of private ownership of a full auto weapon is the waste of time / ammo that comes with the ownership.

Kinda like owning an antique / classis roadster type car that gets 3-4mpg, but is all chromed and cherry'd up and can bark the tires in all gears.. etc. IE.. no practical value.. just 'big boy toys'.. etc..

Well with home invasions on the rise, maybe it wouldn't be too bad to have an auto or at least something with burst capability if only it were affordable. The prices of the firearms are ridiculously high thanks to the various bans (like the 86 ban). Can't sell any new ones, or bring any new ones in for private citizenry use, which keeps the prices high for the few that are available. I would like to see a repeal of these ridiculous bans. They aren't doing anything to help keep anyone safe anyway.

 

[Sigarms]

Reminds me of a story when I lived in NW Pa some years ago.

Took some guys (customers) out to a buddies farmers land to do some shooting with some of my rifles. Some of the guys wanted to go through some ammo really quick, so I let them "just to have some fun".

Great day, guys enjoyed themselves.

The next day, seeing my one buddy who was friends of the famer who let us use his land (I didn't know the farmer), he told me that we were not allowed to do anymore shooting on the property. The local farmer got pretty upset because he thought there was some kind "of war" going on with all the ammo we had gone through (he knew we would be shooting there, just was very surprised). Of course we picked up all the brass, common courtesy.

Well, some years later when I moved to N.C, I dated a girl from the Durham area for a good amount of time.

For one Christmas, we (my girlfriend and her family) went up to Pa to her grandfathers farms for Christmas. Low and behold, same area where I used to live some time ago when we went out shooting with my firends.

Come downstairs for Christmas morning, and low and behold, it was my SAME friend who I took out shooting, downstairs having a cup of joe with my girlfriends grandfather. Turns out they were good friends.

Also turns out that it was my girlfriends grandfathers land that we were shooting on about five years previously when I lived in Pa.

Talk about a small world!

 

[Spiveyman]

You're probably a better man than myself, but for myself, shooting a shoulder fired rifle in 7.62 on full auto is a waste of time. Too much muzzle rise and a waste of ammo, again, at least for myself.

Well, it's not full auto, and even firing semi-auto it's way better to lay prone and put your shoulders into it. You can control pretty well like that. But I wouldn't consider it a waste of ammo, that's the whole point of going full auto. It's like buying a F450 Dually and then complaining about the fuel bill. If you can afford the truck, you can afford the fuel. If you can afford a class III, you'd better be able to afford to waste some ammo, otherwise there doesn't seem to be a point.

If your sheriff won't sign, you have a few other options..

Yeah, I thought about that rout, but right now it's more about the cost than the law. Just bought 170 acres and a herd of longhorns, started up a beef business, and am barely into the tractors/implements needed. I also have a 3 year old and a 8 month old, so there's college funds and diapers. Whew! It all adds up and I just can't justify the expense of a class III right now. But one day the business will be booming, the tractors will be bought, implements rusting, kids gone, and I'll be blasting up the hill side guilt free.

Can't sell any new ones, or bring any new ones in for private citizenry use, which keeps the prices high for the few that are available.

I don't think that would bring the prices down. The assault weapons ban expired and everyone said that the cost of AR's and Mags would plummet, but they haven't. Even the crap made during the ban without the evil stuff is still expensive.

 

[Sigarms]

Well, it's not full auto, and even firing semi-auto it's way better to lay prone and put your shoulders into it. You can control pretty well like that. But I wouldn't consider it a waste of ammo, that's the whole point of going full auto.

Agreed to a certain extent, however if the bullet does not hit it's intended target, for myself, it's a wasted round (not much use for supressive fire in civilian life). Although I haven't shot a FAL on full auto, I have on an M-14, and I can't control the weapon on full auto, thus, it serves no purpose, at least for myself.

 

[Soundguy]

Well with home invasions on the rise, maybe it wouldn't be too bad to have an auto or at least something with burst capability if only it were affordable. The prices of the firearms are ridiculously high thanks to the various bans (like the 86 ban). Can't sell any new ones, or bring any new ones in for private citizenry use, which keeps the prices high for the few that are available. I would like to see a repeal of these ridiculous bans. They aren't doing anything to help keep anyone safe anyway.

That would be the last weapon on my list to use for a self defense situation. Sure.. if I had no other weapon at hand.. I'd make do.. but I'm guessing the ATF would just love for a private citizen to smoke somebody with his class III weapon.. whether it was justified our not. Looking at the statistics.. there are -VERY- few deaths attribuited to legally regestered class III weapons in citizens hands.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Yeah, I thought about that rout, but right now it's more about the cost than the law.

You can still get entry level class III weapons for under 1000$ tax tag and title, if you don't want full auto. like a short barrelled shotgun... And if you do want full auto, probably under 1700$ tax tag and title... say like a mac 11/9mm.. etc..

I don't think that would bring the prices down. The assault weapons ban expired and everyone said that the cost of AR's and Mags would plummet, but they haven't. Even the crap made during the ban without the evil stuff is still expensive.

Looks like they have come down to me.. I've never seen AK and clones so cheap... Same with hi-cap magazines. Last few shows I've been at.. some of the cheaper ak clones,. no frills ones were int he 200-300$ range... have never been able to tough them for that.. heck.. recievers in the catalogs go for 150$ plus.. etc. to 01 ffl's.. etc.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Agreed to a certain extent, however if the bullet does not hit it's intended target, for myself, it's a wasted round (not much use for supressive fire in civilian life). Although I haven't shot a FAL on full auto, I have on an M-14, and I can't control the weapon on full auto, thus, it serves no purpose, at least for myself.

A full auto weapons sole purpose is to put lots of ammo downrange from you. if it's a large caliber, then bipod or mount it for better control.

I frequently shoot full auto in 45acp. climbs a bit.. but I can keep burst fire on a sillohuette target.. etc. I'm not sure I would want to fire 7.62 full auto from a standing position, if I had to hit a target with none missed. 3 shot burst should be maintainable though.

The rest of fullauto fireing is just well.. for sport I guess.. looking at the target rip up, and then seeing some dust from the backstop... etc.

when you can shoot up 13$ of ammo in 7 seconds.. you just have to look at it like any other sport.. or high stakes gambling ( lottery ),.. where there is seldom a return on investment in tangible terms.. etc.. other than just 'personal experience'.. etc.

soundguy