LEO's, can you explain this to me please

[DT86]

Apparently this has happened more often than you would think.

From The Huffington Post, both young men (21 & 17) in 2012.

Jonesboro, Ark.

Houston, Tx

 

[Sigarms]

Non trash people do not hide/carry a gun to harm some one.
And trust me, he was carrying that gun to hurt some one.

Perhaps.

But if the cops picked up your son for tresspassing for visiting a girlfriends house (whose father didn't want him there) and you thought he didn't have a gun on him, but he shot himself in the head while his hands were cuffed behind his back in the police crusier, and the camera in the crusier was turned off so you couldn't see what happened, would you really think your son was trash?

Unlike yourself, I'll hold judgement until the third party investigation is done.

 

[jerrybob]

I don't see second degree trespass and what would have become a felony weapons charge to be reason enough to end your life. The kid obviously had other problems.

Probably another bad kid out buying Skittles......you'd think they'd learn!:confused2:

 

[mjarrels]

Sounds like a friend of the Clintons!

mark

 

[stuckmotor]

I once saw a crime movie or TV show where a man had his hands cuffed behind his back. He jumped up in the air and swung his hands, cuffs and all, under his feet. When his feet hit the ground his hands were infront of him. This was probably in the days before IMDb. If I could remember the name of the show today, I'd probably look him up and try to find out whether he was a professional contortionist.

 

[Sigarms]

The only explanation I can think of is his hands were still behind his back, and he was using "mexican carry" for the .45. In other words the pistol was just stuck into his waistband in the center of his back and the LEO just missed it in the patdown. In squirming around to draw his pistol, and lets assume a 1911 style single action auto, carried cocked and locked, he somehow brushed off the safety, somehow depressed the grip safety and somehow pressed the trigger with the muzzle pointed toward his head... If this story is true, it was not this guys lucky day. At all.

With hands cuffed behind your back, you would then have to draw the weapon and then reposition it at an upward angle, at the same time sitting in the back seat in car with your body weight acting against you because you would need room to reposition the gun. Just trying to figure out how you do that without the cop not noticing that your trying to do something. Then again, one could argue that the cop missed the gun in the first place, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the heck you would do it. Even after you reposition the gun, you're firing at an upward angle and you'd have to pull your head back to get a shot, and even then, you're shooting blind to some extent.

 

[k0ua]

With hands cuffed behind your back, you would then have to draw the weapon and then reposition it at an upward angle, at the same time sitting in the back seat in car with your body weight acting against you because you would need room to reposition the gun. Just trying to figure out how you do that without the cop not noticing that your trying to do something. Then again, one could argue that the cop missed the gun in the first place, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the heck you would do it. Even after you reposition the gun, you're firing at an upward angle and you'd have to pull your head back to get a shot, and even then, you're shooting blind to some extent.

It is a little hard to imagine. More information is needed.

 

[Sigarms]

It is a little hard to imagine. More information is needed.

All I was thinking is how I would shoot myself if my hands were cuffed behind my back, sitting in the back of a police crusier with a mexican carry, on what would probably be a decent size handgun (not a pocket carry). Do they still allow for cuffing beind the back, palms outward? If so, behind the back, I just see getting a gun a shooting yourself in the head impossible. The coronors report state that the bullet came in an upward trajectory under the suspects jaw. Apparently the suspect was able to get his hands in front of his body while sitting in the crusier.

At worst, sloppy police most likely caused the city a settlement and perhaps a decent officer his job for assuming too much.

 

[MossRoad]

Watching reality TV shows, like COPS, you will once in a while see a person with handcuffs on behind their back, still reaching around to one of their sides or the other taking stuff out of their own front pockets, pointing out things to the cops, heck I even saw a guy smoking a cigarette with his hands cuffed behind his back. As I recall, most of those folks were on the skinny side. When I was a teenager, I could bring my handcuffed hands from behind my back, under my butt and out in front of me. We had friends and family that were cops and it was a fun game. I was extremely limber and also very underweight and undersized for my age. My sisters could all do it, too. Now that I am older, wider, and not so limber, I can hardly tie my shoes, let alone do that kind of stuff. Anyhow, don't know the details of the case, so won't comment on that one in particular.

 

[k0ua]

Watching reality TV shows, like COPS, you will once in a while see a person with handcuffs on behind their back, still reaching around to one of their sides or the other taking stuff out of their own front pockets, pointing out things to the cops, heck I even saw a guy smoking a cigarette with his hands cuffed behind his back. As I recall, most of those folks were on the skinny side. When I was a teenager, I could bring my handcuffed hands from behind my back, under my butt and out in front of me. We had friends and family that were cops and it was a fun game. I was extremely limber and also very underweight and undersized for my age. My sisters could all do it, too. Now that I am older, wider, and not so limber, I can hardly tie my shoes, let alone do that kind of stuff. Anyhow, don't know the details of the case, so won't comment on that one in particular.

My guess would be that he was skinny enough and limber enough to bring his hands in front. I have seen women that could do it, but I have never seen a man that could, but I know they exist. I guess you were living proof. Like you I cannot really know what happened, just guessing, as I haven't seen any coroners reports, or photographs.