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I don't know, I carry mine in a shoulder holster. But, I am a bigger guy. I wish they made a .45 to match.
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I don't know, I carry mine in a shoulder holster. But, I am a bigger guy. I wish they made a .45 to match.
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I have been reading about the Legions. How do you like it?
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ok thanks for all te replies, so far havent made it in to some gun shops due to work to get my hands on any of the pistols mentioned BUT what is it I keep reading about the triggers? Some long pulls, some short etc, and that glock and other striker type pistols are strange to me, Im assuming they are 100% safe since there are so many in use but the way I understand it they just require pulling the trigger to shoot once a round is in the chamber?
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Yup, just pull the trigger. Just like a revolver. Pull trigger, bang. If you don't want a bang, keep your finger off of it. 
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Don't fuss with the trigger until you feel you need to. I'm guessing there are way too many that replace the trigger to get a lighter pull that do it just to do it... not really to improve target shooting. I say shoot the gun first before you start 'modding' it.
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of course, but i was just inquiring about why so much about the triggers is mentioned.
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I'm the one that brought up triggers. Everything everyone was mentioning was double action trigger, but I firmly believe there are some benefits to a single action trigger for those that wish to investigate and train to make them part of their shooting nature.
1911 platform remained king of the hill for a lot of years for a lot of reasons. Being SAO was one of the reasons. It is also one of the reasons the 1911 platform is so widely used by competition shooters. The 21st century has brought us a lot of tiny guns based on the 1911 style platform, some are even great for pocket carry. A double action trigger was a breakthrough for a revolver, not so much for a semi-auto pistol. I like a mechanical safety rather than a long draw trigger. Some DAs have them, but you still have that long drawn out trigger pull to master. I like pull, click, BANG versus pull, pull, pull, pull, click, BANG (click being that breaking point in the trigger just before it releases the round).
If you train with a mechanical safety and have proper carry gear, that safety is covered by the carry gear so it cannot be clicked-off accidently. This is especially key if the safety is ambidextrous. The carry gear should have the control on the outside of your body covered, or you should have the outer control removed. When you train, the safety should be clicked off as the safety clears the holster. This should remain the same for any trigger style.
If you train properly, your finger doesn't touch the trigger until you are aimed at your target. Previous comments about accidental discharges happen due to improper gun handling skills, not the trigger type. Someone in a full-panic fight or flight situation is going to squeeze the trigger to the max if they have their finger on it.
All in all, I want the least time between my finger touching the trigger and the gun going bang as possible. I don't want my aim to drift, or have the bad-guy get a shot off at me, or any of the millions of things that could go bad in such situations, just because my trigger has extra travel distance to go before going bang. I don't want to have to pay for the damages of a misplaced shot. I don't want to pay for the damages of a perfect shot where the shot window changed during the course of my committing to pulling the trigger and the bullet travelling downrange. I don't want the bad guy ducking for cover and me only catching a thin layer of meat and shooting through and hitting something or someone that was behind him. I want center mass, first time and any time after that until the threat is resolved.
1911 platform remained king of the hill for a lot of years for a lot of reasons. Being SAO was one of the reasons. It is also one of the reasons the 1911 platform is so widely used by competition shooters. The 21st century has brought us a lot of tiny guns based on the 1911 style platform, some are even great for pocket carry. A double action trigger was a breakthrough for a revolver, not so much for a semi-auto pistol. I like a mechanical safety rather than a long draw trigger. Some DAs have them, but you still have that long drawn out trigger pull to master. I like pull, click, BANG versus pull, pull, pull, pull, click, BANG (click being that breaking point in the trigger just before it releases the round).
If you train with a mechanical safety and have proper carry gear, that safety is covered by the carry gear so it cannot be clicked-off accidently. This is especially key if the safety is ambidextrous. The carry gear should have the control on the outside of your body covered, or you should have the outer control removed. When you train, the safety should be clicked off as the safety clears the holster. This should remain the same for any trigger style.
If you train properly, your finger doesn't touch the trigger until you are aimed at your target. Previous comments about accidental discharges happen due to improper gun handling skills, not the trigger type. Someone in a full-panic fight or flight situation is going to squeeze the trigger to the max if they have their finger on it.
All in all, I want the least time between my finger touching the trigger and the gun going bang as possible. I don't want my aim to drift, or have the bad-guy get a shot off at me, or any of the millions of things that could go bad in such situations, just because my trigger has extra travel distance to go before going bang. I don't want to have to pay for the damages of a misplaced shot. I don't want to pay for the damages of a perfect shot where the shot window changed during the course of my committing to pulling the trigger and the bullet travelling downrange. I don't want the bad guy ducking for cover and me only catching a thin layer of meat and shooting through and hitting something or someone that was behind him. I want center mass, first time and any time after that until the threat is resolved.
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Good post Sysop, and no disagreements. I just see to many people get hung up on triggers when buying their firearm.
Kenneth, you rest my case. Too much talk about triggers when buying. But I'm with you on trying to understand as much as possible before taking the plunge... I research the **** out of things... especially firearms where it is difficult to get more than a casual feel before you buy. Good luck with your purchase.
Kenneth, you rest my case. Too much talk about triggers when buying. But I'm with you on trying to understand as much as possible before taking the plunge... I research the **** out of things... especially firearms where it is difficult to get more than a casual feel before you buy. Good luck with your purchase.
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I see the trigger as the deciding factor in most cases. How a gun "feels" to the user is crucial to shot placement, especially when distressed. By the "feel" of a gun, I mean three things primarily.
First; How does it feel to carry it? Does it fit against your body well for proper concealment? Is it too heavy? If it doesn't feel comfortable and light to carry, it will become a hindrance to do so and it will end up left at home eventually. It will do you no good if it isn't with you when the time comes.
Second; How does it feel in your hand? Can you reach all of the controls without pointing the gun multiple directions? If not the frame size is incorrect for your hand size. You need choose something with a slightly larger or smaller frame, or at a minimum, a different control layout. Can you get a good natural grasp on it to draw without your finger going to the trigger to feel like you have a good grasp on it? If it feels too natural when picking it up or drawing it from a holster to lightly place your finger in the trigger guard to ensure a good grasp, it is likely too heavy of a weapon. Try something lighter.
Naturally, the third thing we "feel" is the trigger. Differences in trigger pulls can make or break a shot. If you really want to ensure you get "the gun for you", this is something that is necessary to learn about and get the feel for yourself.
Lots of guns are small, light, easy to carry, have good ergonomics, and are easy and reliable to operate. The deciding factor beyond all of that is generally the trigger and how it feels.
Again, I just wanted to bring it up because everyone had been mentioning nothing but double action triggered weapons.
First; How does it feel to carry it? Does it fit against your body well for proper concealment? Is it too heavy? If it doesn't feel comfortable and light to carry, it will become a hindrance to do so and it will end up left at home eventually. It will do you no good if it isn't with you when the time comes.
Second; How does it feel in your hand? Can you reach all of the controls without pointing the gun multiple directions? If not the frame size is incorrect for your hand size. You need choose something with a slightly larger or smaller frame, or at a minimum, a different control layout. Can you get a good natural grasp on it to draw without your finger going to the trigger to feel like you have a good grasp on it? If it feels too natural when picking it up or drawing it from a holster to lightly place your finger in the trigger guard to ensure a good grasp, it is likely too heavy of a weapon. Try something lighter.
Naturally, the third thing we "feel" is the trigger. Differences in trigger pulls can make or break a shot. If you really want to ensure you get "the gun for you", this is something that is necessary to learn about and get the feel for yourself.
Lots of guns are small, light, easy to carry, have good ergonomics, and are easy and reliable to operate. The deciding factor beyond all of that is generally the trigger and how it feels.
Again, I just wanted to bring it up because everyone had been mentioning nothing but double action triggered weapons.
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I know I may be whining here, but would people stop recommending trying out different pistols to see what they like. Some people don't live in states that allow that. In NY, you have to purchase a gun that you can't possess before even getting a permit to own and shoot it. The only way I could legally try a gun is to find someone that has it who would be willing to allow me to co-register it. That's not going to happen.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
