Lets talk camera's.

[BigBoyToys]

Modern mirrorless have left those two behind. Times they are a changing. If you have old lens from film age you could make a case for a new body, otherwise you might be miss informed. You know what bayer vs x-trans is? DSLR just to big and clunky yesteryear. Sensor is larger buy that may not matter anymore.

Fuji X Trans Sensor vs Moire - YouTube

For me the only advantage of the mirrorless is it's size, which is great if you're traveling. If you're into serious photography then I'd still go with a DSLR. Bottom line is...at the end of the day with the availability of high res sensors and onboard processing, 95% of all users wouldn't notice the difference between a "general" picture taken with a FX DSLR or high quality point and shoot. It's when you want to deal with shooting at extremes that the larger DSLRs will shine.

More detailed testing of the X-Trans sensor. Maybe not all that's it's cracked up to be...
X-Trans vs Bayer Sensors: Fantastic Claims and How to Test Them

 

[houstonscott]

For me the only advantage of the mirrorless is it's size, which is great if you're traveling. If you're into serious photography then I'd still go with a DSLR. Bottom line is...at the end of the day with the availability of high res sensors and onboard processing, 95% of all users wouldn't notice the difference between a "general" picture taken with a FX DSLR or high quality point and shoot. It's when you want to deal with shooting at extremes that the larger DSLRs will shine. More detailed testing of the X-Trans sensor. Maybe not all that's it's cracked up to be... X-Trans vs Bayer Sensors: Fantastic Claims and How to Test Them

Did you read the tests, they had to synthesize the filters over the X trams because they can't remove it from the bayer sensors. In other words they simulate the results of the X trans to/then compare. You think that's real. There's lots of money riding here, a lot of people don't want to find out one company has the better sensor, and own the technology. I understand the heavy pressure to assure and show otherwise. A lot of people just assume it's Nikon/Canon and unless they have lens already owned making a dollar decision straight up, they'd be smart to look around... Nikon/Canon are running on name alone at this point, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Fugifilm, are innovating and surpassing them right before your eyes. I'm not anti Nikon, the big rumor and announcement from Nikon is they are developing a mirrorless camera, they have to or be overtaken, which may already be the case. The next generation of the Df is due out its been almost 5 years since its introduction. I might buy a mirrorless Nikon if they make a good one, if it has a full sized sensor I be real interested. I have a few Nikon lens lying around from film days too.

 

[BigBoyToys]

Did you read the tests, they had to synthesize the filters over the X trams because they can't remove it from the bayer sensors. In other words they simulate the results of the X trans to/then compare.

Both sensors were synthesized to produce raw images to eliminate the digital processing, to essentially get unfiltered data to compare. They'll be biased arguments for and against each depending which direction you lean...no different that "Liberal" and Conservatives" views on any subject. Just evaluate the latest available data and draw your own conclusions. Me, I'll take a "Full Frame" over a "Cropped" any day.

 

[bunyip]

I use a Nikon D800 and she who must be obeyed has a D300S, normal lens is 24-70 f2.8 on both and we also have sackful of others such as 70-200 f2.8, 100-300 f4, 11-16 f2.8, 50mm f1.2, 50mm Macro f2.8, 100mm Macro f2.8 and my 50-500 for wildlife.
Also have two extension tube sets, ringflash and SB600 flash as well as studio strobes.
When we are sailing or kayaking we use a Nikon 1AW1 which is waterproof to 15metres, not overly impressed with the quality but after SLR's I am probably being too fussy.
Attached image is from the 1AW1

 

[dragoneggs]

I use a Nikon D800 and she who must be obeyed has a D300S, normal lens is 24-70 f2.8 on both and we also have sackful of others such as 70-200 f2.8, 100-300 f4, 11-16 f2.8, 50mm f1.2, 50mm Macro f2.8, 100mm Macro f2.8 and my 50-500 for wildlife.
Also have two extension tube sets, ringflash and SB600 flash as well as studio strobes.
When we are sailing or kayaking we use a Nikon 1AW1 which is waterproof to 15metres, not overly impressed with the quality but after SLR's I am probably being too fussy.
Attached image is from the 1AW1

Your canon arsenal sounds almost identical to mine!

 

[bunyip]

We used to do horse event photography and the 70-200 and 100-300 offer the same result due to one being a full frame camera and the other miniature.
The rest we just picked up along the way as I enjoy macro work with either the macro lens or the extension tubes
SWMBO loves orchids and shoots them, I have a fascination for spiders and do much the same, we both enjoy wildlife
Took this one a couple of months ago while sailing past a seal colony.

 

[/pine]

A different concept...:
Light starts shipping the L16, its 16-camera pocket DSLR challenger | TechCrunch

Light | Camera

 

[BigBoyToys]

A different concept...:
Light starts shipping the L16, its 16-camera pocket DSLR challenger | TechCrunch

Light | Camera

Very interesting concept! Sample images are beautiful...but a steep price tag of $1950. OUCH!
We'll have to see how unit sales look in 6 mounts.

 

[dragoneggs]

A different concept...:
Light starts shipping the L16, its 16-camera pocket DSLR challenger | TechCrunch

Light | Camera

Yes, very interesting. Look forward to learning more.

 

[Alien]

One of the silliest websites I have come across. The camera could be interesting though. I am surprised 3D cams didn't develop more. (become more popular)

 

[vvanders]

Most people go about camera shopping the wrong way. They want the latest & greatest camera without taking into account all the things that actually help you get a good photo.

If you're just looking for "good enough" photos most smartphone cameras will cover you and the have the benefit of always being on your person.

Unless you're shooting sports, wildlife or have extreme low-light requirements. The actual camera isn't going to make any significant impact. Keep in my photography is the manipulation of light.

The largest impact of light are in order of: Actual lighting conditions(time of day, off-camera lights, etc) > Lenses > Sensor Dimensions > Camera.

If you're serious you should realistically be investing ~4x more in lenses then camera bodies. I've shot some awesome stuff with a 35L and 450D, likewise you're not getting any good shot with a 1D if lighting conditions are awful.

Look at the lens systems, find out what you want to shoot and see what matches up. If you're near a large metro area there are usually camera rental shops. These are awesome for figuring out what actually works before investing in the lenses. I've rented the 200L(~$5k lens) and it was incredible even on a cheap SLR. Seeing what you can do with proper glass will help you narrow down what actually works for you.

For my money it's hard to beat Canon's 35L on a full frame. If you're fine with working within the constraints of a prime lens the way it renders things is sublime.

 

[houstonscott]

Most people go about camera shopping the wrong way. They want the latest & greatest camera without taking into account all the things that actually help you get a good photo. If you're just looking for "good enough" photos most smartphone cameras will cover you and the have the benefit of always being on your person. Unless you're shooting sports, wildlife or have extreme low-light requirements. The actual camera isn't going to make any significant impact. Keep in my photography is the manipulation of light. The largest impact of light are in order of: Actual lighting conditions(time of day, off-camera lights, etc) > Lenses > Sensor Dimensions > Camera. If you're serious you should realistically be investing ~4x more in lenses then camera bodies. I've shot some awesome stuff with a 35L and 450D, likewise you're not getting any good shot with a 1D if lighting conditions are awful. Look at the lens systems, find out what you want to shoot and see what matches up. If you're near a large metro area there are usually camera rental shops. These are awesome for figuring out what actually works before investing in the lenses. I've rented the 200L(~$5k lens) and it was incredible even on a cheap SLR. Seeing what you can do with proper glass will help you narrow down what actually works for you. For my money it's hard to beat Canon's 35L on a full frame. If you're fine with working within the constraints of a prime lens the way it renders things is sublime.

Good advice.

 

[dragoneggs]

Good advice.

Yep, I have gone through three upgrades of Canon bodies, but just keep adding to my lens collection.

 

[bunyip]

I am much the same, worn out two bodies, D40X was my first digital SLR and wasn't impressed, got to the stage it was very noisy over iso200.
At present I am looking for a decent PAS to take when we travel overseas, the SLR's are simply too heavy.
Also work on the principle that good glass is better than pixels, I use both Nikon and Sigma, the latter is very good quality and in my opinion one of the best aftermarket lenses, Tokina are good but don't have the range that Sigma do.

 

[dragoneggs]

I'm a bit outdated but Sigma glass was the the best value telephoto lens back in the day. I stuck to my guns and saved for Canon and L if I could. Glad I did now as they hold their value. A new body is where the new technology shows up. This thread has got me itching to pull my gear out and not settle for iPhone pics. Got to say though, an iPhone 7sPlus is a very impressive P&S. Looking forward to seeing what the iPhone X will do.

 

[CADplans]

At present I am looking for a decent PAS to take when we travel overseas, the SLR's are simply too heavy.

I purchased a highly rated PAS Nikon,,, It does NOTHING my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge phone can not do.

This pic was taken Friday night with my phone,,,
The sky color is 100% correct, in my opinion. (it is what I saw!! :thumbsup

I consider my phone to be an amazing camera,, the Nikon D7000 stays in the bag!!

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

Interesting thread, I have only used my cell for pics, I recently bought a 8 plus and am happy with it over my 6 BUT it can’t compete with some pics on this thread.

As far as low light, I took some after I got done working on my truck tonight, night time outside.

Those are the optimized ones I can post here, guess the originals are too big of files.

Some others

 

[dragoneggs]

The reality is the latest iPhones (what I have experience in) and I am sure the high end competitor phones can produce some very acceptable (to be snobbish) shots. Especially with some built in post processing to tweak it a bit! Got to love where technology has take us.

One must still sacrifice weight vs. light gathering but it appears the gap is closing. :thumbsup: And I am a traditional photographer saying this.... love how others can expand the profession beyond your own threshold.

 

[houstonscott]

Yep, I have gone through three upgrades of Canon bodies, but just keep adding to my lens collection.

I've read picking a lens system first then a body makes more sense. Most pick a camera then lens. I would recommend study and understand sensors, while the changes in technology advances. We're there in many regards and more pixels is not the whole game. What you are doing with the camera is the real measure.

 

[houstonscott]

I purchased a highly rated PAS Nikon,,, It does NOTHING my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge phone can not do. This pic was taken Friday night with my phone,,, The sky color is 100% correct, in my opinion. (it is what I saw!! :thumbsup I consider my phone to be an amazing camera,, the Nikon D7000 stays in the bag!!

Look at the Fugifilm Xt2, might be the best mirrorless camera ever made. Easily matches full frame DSLR image quality, exceeding them much of the time. Is much smaller lighter system, many famous photographers are up on YouTube telling their switching stories. I'm in the waiting mode to see what nikons new mirrorless camera looks like before I buy. Nikon Df lurks in the back of my mind, I have two Nikon AF lens from film days that would be useful again, but the idea is to travel more and carry less.