Loaded tires and hydrostat

[csnow]

Looking at loading tires on the tractor since menards has washer fluid on sale right now. I have had loaded tires on my previous gear driven tractors. Was wondering about extra strain on the hydrostat trans. though. I realize the tractor ,4310, is capable of pulling/pushing xx amount of weight but its not like your doing that all the time, the added tire weight will be there forever. I also need to flip my tires to the widest position when I do this. thanks

 

[Gary Fowler]

Loaded tires are the best for traction and stability regardless of the transmission type used. You really don't want your tractor tires spinning all the time because of lack of traction. You wont hurt the HST transmission by loading the tires, they are designed to stall before any damage can happen.
I would suggest that unless you have a very good reason to need to move the tires in and out all the time, that you have the dealer set them to the widest point and then load them with fluid.
Unless the OEM limits loading of tires (my B26 TLB manual says not to load the tires with using the backhoe), load them up. It is not impossible to swap the tires in and out when loaded but you do have to be diligent and keep them balanced upright when doing so.

On my LS P7010, I flipped the dish rims out and made the track as wide as possible on the front and then matched the rears up to the front. I could have made the rears even wider. Good thing I didn't though because as it sets the rear tires just squeeze in between the fenders on my trailer for transport. Something to consider when selecting a wheel spacing.

 

[csnow]

Loaded tires are the best for traction and stability regardless of the transmission type used. You really don't want your tractor tires spinning all the time because of lack of traction. You wont hurt the HST transmission by loading the tires, they are designed to stall before any damage can happen.
I would suggest that unless you have a very good reason to need to move the tires in and out all the time, that you have the dealer set them to the widest point and then load them with fluid.
Unless the OEM limits loading of tires (my B26 TLB manual says not to load the tires with using the backhoe), load them up. It is not impossible to swap the tires in and out when loaded but you do have to be diligent and keep them balanced upright when doing so.

On my LS P7010, I flipped the dish rims out and made the track as wide as possible on the front and then matched the rears up to the front. I could have made the rears even wider. Good thing I didn't though because as it sets the rear tires just squeeze in between the fenders on my trailer for transport. Something to consider when selecting a wheel spacing.

thanks for the response, I am not intending on switching tires in and out all the time, I am just doing it once, I think it only adds like 1.5 inches in width. I didn't see it being a problem when the owners manual says you can add fluid but I was just curious about the longevity of the HST since I have never owned one. thanks again

 

[jenkinsph]

While extra weight will increase the weight and slow the tractor down some what in high range but that is better than spinning the tires in tough pulls. Spinning the tires will wear them out prematurely and does not get anything accomplished. As Gary said it should not hurt the hst transmission.

 

[motownbrowne]

It won't hurt the transmission. It will make using your tractor better.

 

[csnow]

got them loaded yesterday, broke a wheel bolt

 

[Natureboy]

It won't hurt the transmission. It will make using your tractor better.

Agree, won't hurt the hydro.

 

[Catman8]

What do you mean by flipping the tires, my JD 2032R is narrow and you can see how the previous owner had the three point arms rubbing the tires and that's not good, I've adjusted the three point with as little swing as possible but when you raise the implement it gets really close to the tire. Does JD make spacers to give you a wider tire stance and more three point room.

 

[k0ua]

What do you mean by flipping the tires, my JD 2032R is narrow and you can see how the previous owner had the three point arms rubbing the tires and that's not good, I've adjusted the three point with as little swing as possible but when you raise the implement it gets really close to the tire. Does JD make spacers to give you a wider tire stance and more three point room.

There are many 3rd party folks that make wheel spacers. Just google tractor wheel spacers. You are probably looking at $300 to $400 bucks.

 

[jgayman]

What do you mean by flipping the tires, my JD 2032R is narrow and you can see how the previous owner had the three point arms rubbing the tires and that's not good, I've adjusted the three point with as little swing as possible but when you raise the implement it gets really close to the tire. Does JD make spacers to give you a wider tire stance and more three point room.

The 2032R rear tires can be mounted in either a wide or narrow position. They come from the factory in the narrow position (valve stems out). Most folks, myself included, change the wheels to the wide position for better stability and clearance (valve stems inward). The front tires do not have a wide/narrow option.

 

[Catman8]

I see that the wheel spacers come in 2" 4" 6". When you flip the wheels how much more space are you gaining. When your tires are loaded are there any tricks you can share for handling such a heavy tire.

 

[k0ua]

I see that the wheel spacers come in 2" 4" 6". When you flip the wheels how much more space are you gaining. When your tires are loaded are there any tricks you can share for handling such a heavy tire.

Observe the dish of the tires. Measure both the inside dish and outside dish. calculate how much you will gain for each.

Do you have or can you borrow or rent an engine hoist. OR, two people, and never let the tire start to tip. Think through your route and where you are going to lean the first tire up against and how you are going to remove and reinstall the other side. This is of course much more dangerous. If it starts to tip over too far, you will not be able to stop it. and you need to be able to get out of the way. Also it is "heck" to get the wheel holes and the axle lined up. No fun at all. I used wedges and shims to finally get it on. They make a nice lift with rollers to handle these heavy tires. Tire shops have them.

 

[Catman8]

Observe the dish of the tires. Measure both the inside dish and outside dish. calculate how much you will gain for each.

Do you have or can you borrow or rent an engine hoist. OR, two people, and never let the tire start to tip. Think through your route and where you are going to lean the first tire up against and how you are going to remove and reinstall the other side. This is of course much more dangerous. If it starts to tip over too far, you will not be able to stop it. and you need to be able to get out of the way. Also it is "heck" to get the wheel holes and the axle lined up. No fun at all. I used wedges and shims to finally get it on. They make a nice lift with rollers to handle these heavy tires. Tire shops have them.

I have a engine lift and lots of tools, I was also thinking of using a floor jack and making a flat plate that bolts to the floor jack to lift the tire, but I see your point of trying to get the holes lined up with no way to rotate the tire, when the tractor is in neutral can you rotate the axle by hand to align the lugs. I sure would hate to drop a 300 lb tire on my leg.

 

[k0ua]

I have a engine lift and lots of tools, I was also thinking of using a floor jack and making a flat plate that bolts to the floor jack to lift the tire, but I see your point of trying to get the holes lined up with no way to rotate the tire, when the tractor is in neutral can you rotate the axle by hand to align the lugs. I sure would hate to drop a 300 lb tire on my leg.

If you jack up both tires you can rotate the axle hub. One will rotate the direction you push it and the other will rotate the opposite direction. this is probably your best bet, Just jack up the middle of the tractor, I use the drawbar housing, Just barely get the tires off of the ground, and use your engine hoist to move them around, and rotate the hub to get it lines up.. Should not be bad at all that way.

 

[Catman8]

If you jack up both tires you can rotate the axle hub. One will rotate the direction you push it and the other will rotate the opposite direction. this is probably your best bet, Just jack up the middle of the tractor, I use the drawbar housing, Just barely get the tires off of the ground, and use your engine hoist to move them around, and rotate the hub to get it lines up.. Should not be bad at all that way.

thanks for the info on the axle

 

[csnow]

thanks for the info on the axle

I bought 2 extra mounting bolts and cut the heads off and use them as guide studs when doing mine. You don't use them a lot but you have them for future use. Already used mine twice on each side. I have had them off to flip and off again to add my 3rd scv kit and repair something else.

 

[Catman8]

I bought 2 extra mounting bolts and cut the heads off and use them as guide studs when doing mine. You don't use them a lot but you have them for future use. Already used mine twice on each side. I have had them off to flip and off again to add my 3rd scv kit and repair something else.

Wow, another great idea, thanks:thumbsup:

 

[motownbrowne]

A greased board under the tire is a huge help for lining up your bolt holes. Learned that on TBN. Saved lots of cursing.

 

[k0ua]

A greased board under the tire is a huge help for lining up your bolt holes. Learned that on TBN. Saved lots of cursing.

I put a loaded tire back on what amounts to a full size utility tractor, and believe me, there was plenty of cursing, sweating and not a small amount of anguish.

 

[beenthere]

The times I've needed to remove/remount the loaded rear tires on the 4300 have not been much of a problem. R-4's balance pretty good and moving them about enough to line up the bolts doesn't take much as I recall. Sure not worth dealing with grease or special pointed pins.
Get one started and the others are pretty easy to move into place. Do it with one bottle jack or floor jack.