Looking at a Kioti CK2510, so what else should I be looking at?

[Rock Crawler]

So you say you bought New Holland because they make a nice machine... Don't you meant that you have an LS tractor and you bought it rebranded as New Holland because New Holland buys and resales a nice machine?

 

[TheMadOne]

Hi,


This is a pretty simple choice here. These are small tractors so what ever the 3 point and loader lift capacities are is fine for a small tractor so you don't break something. If you need more you need a bigger tractor. Just evaluated all three last summer and I have several guys I work with running new larger Kioti machines and they are super. Buy the Massey Ferguson for a several reasons. First it has the best paint/fit and finish of the three, second it has a three speed tranny with auto throttle linked petals and third because it has dual pedals verses that annoying Kubota Hydro control. The Kubota does not pick up a full 60" bucket of heavy material particularly well and the dealer attributed that to loss of lift with the SSAQA adapter. The Massey uses an ALO loader which I prefer over the other two. Rolex quality so to speak. The Iseki MMM is not drive over but easy to install, durable and mow quality is almost Allis Chalmers like in performance so you would be very pleased in that regard. I liked the B2650 better than the B2601, especially loader and hydro controls, steering wheel, seat etc and not all that much more money in the grand scheme of things. If orange is your favorite spot on the color wheel, you might try that. In the end it is dealer support that makes the machine what ever one you choose. I run New Holland because they make a nice machine and I have a dealer that provides world class service and support 30 minutes away. Good luck with your search. All of the machines you are considering are excellent choices.



Brian

I'm gonna have to disagree some here. A third more 3PT lift capacity is important, especially if that number isn't exactly high to begin with. You hate the Kubota HST pedal, that's fine, but that's individual preference, not objective stats. The B's standard bucket is 54", the 60" is their "light material" option, for lack of a better description.

I do agree with your comments about dealer support.

I'll also agree that the B2650 is a better machine than the B2601 for almost no more money.

 

[robbiele]

Drive over mid mount mower is my one MUST have and it is the main reason I am getting a new tractor. I nearly lost a foot trying to remove my current non drive over mower and the wife is demanding I get a drive over.

Also, I like the Massey, but upon speaking with my dealer, he said to me that he wanted to explain up front that massey parts are generally more expensive and are more difficult to get than Kubota (Massey and Kubota dealer are the same.) I am also thinking about a Kubota B2650 as of now but I will have to go up to a 72" deck to get a drive over deck.

 

[Texasmark]

Seen any Bransons?

 

[robbiele]

Seen any Bransons?

No dealers around me, so no Branson.

 

[sugarloafguy]

Hi,

Most of what I do for a subsidiary of the state here is flail and bush hog mowing very very steep road side forestry cuttings and median/shoulder work. In that environment ( 2017 Deere 5085E cab) certainly 3 point lift capacity might be more important to me than maybe a sub-compact application would be for say a first time tractor buyer. It depends on the user. Not saying 400 lbs is not noticable. It is. My new Deere HX7 cutter weighs about 1400 lbs or so and if I could stuff it into a very small box I probably would not want to put it on a tractor for long periods of time that weighs about 1650 pounds in the first place. I definitely think more lift is better but for someone who does this professionally less is sometimes more. This is where the common sense element enters the picture. What is the original poster or any poster for that matter going to regularly lift that that weighs as much as the mower on my 9000 lb Deere with a B2601? Probably not much more than the guy who buys the Massey sporting the smallest behind the link rating or Kioti in the middle.

I like Kubota since we have a new 100 plus horse cab tractor with push button shift and Tiger boom that weighs about 23000 lbs. While I didn't care for the rocker hydro on the B2601 I liked it on the B2650 as the design is just a little different. I had a Carrier Transicold reefer at Kraft Foodservice that had 33,000 original hours on a Kubota so you might say it is my favorite small diesel engine. The 2601 is a nice size unit. All of the mentioned units are nice. Auto throttle hydros make them nicer to operate on a daily basis. This is a Ford vs Chevy type of thing just preference.

I am not sure I said I had an LS machine both of mine are Shibaura tractors. Rock Crawler is correct I have two re-branded tractors in my garage. While CNH rebrands LS, Mahindra does the same with Mitsubishi and TYM, Massey with Iseki, and Deere did with Yanmar for years and today still sources engines from them. I am not sure anyone makes the whole tractor and most of the attachments/implements themselves except Kubota. Last I knew RAD built most if not all of the Kubota-branded snow blowers and they re-branded Land Pride for a while before they bought the company so Fiat is not alone in that respect. Again it is the dealer that makes a good tractor a great experience be it green, red orange or even blue.

I think I would opt for the drive over deck after the Deere experience that nearly cost you a foot.


Brian

 

[Kioti Mike]

I am somewhat new to small tractors . I recently bought a new Kioti CK2510 with the loader and 5' box scraper 3 speed manual trans. Here is why . My want list included under 25 HP with no emissions , Manual trans , I had trouble with a hydro Kubota gears are more durable, I wanted the builder to build the whole tractor not buy parts from other manufactures or re-brand someone else's product . I checked with Massy ,JD, Kubota, Mahindra , LS and Kioti . Massy and JD doesn't build 25HP tractors with standard trans . The LS dealer is new with only a couple years in business and a long history of other businesses at that location so who knows how long they will sell LS Plus I don't know who really makes them. Mahindra claims to be made in the US but that's not true and they don't make all their own parts . Not to mention the horrible warranty issues I saw on the net. So that leaves us with Kioti and Kubota. I looked at the B2320 and the CK2510 the Kioti has a bigger pump more HP and out weighted ,out lifted the Kubota at about the same price . I would have had to go with a L series to out do the Kioti but then the price was thousands more. I hope I made a good decision 19 hours so far I am very satisfied.

 

[Grateful11]

I am somewhat new to small tractors . I recently bought a new Kioti CK2510 with the loader and 5' box scraper 3 speed manual trans. Here is why . My want list included under 25 HP with no emissions , Manual trans , I had trouble with a hydro Kubota gears are more durable, I wanted the builder to build the whole tractor not buy parts from other manufactures or re-brand someone else's product . I checked with Massy ,JD, Kubota, Mahindra , LS and Kioti . Massy and JD doesn't build 25HP tractors with standard trans . The LS dealer is new with only a couple years in business and a long history of other businesses at that location so who knows how long they will sell LS Plus I don't know who really makes them. Mahindra claims to be made in the US but that's not true and they don't make all their own parts . Not to mention the horrible warranty issues I saw on the net. So that leaves us with Kioti and Kubota. I looked at the B2320 and the CK2510 the Kioti has a bigger pump more HP and out weighted ,out lifted the Kubota at about the same price . I would have had to go with a L series to out do the Kioti but then the price was thousands more. I hope I made a good decision 19 hours so far I am very satisfied.

Well it seems LS is connected to Mitsubishi. LS makes nearly all small tractors for NH and CaseIH, aka: CNH. I think you done just fine choosing a Kioti.

My son just took delivery of a CK2610HST. He compared how the CK2610 and the L2501 lifted a 4x4' round bale that weighed close to 650#. Both just had loaded rears. The Kubota lifted fine but when you bounced it slightly the rear wanted to come off the ground. The Kioti lifted just fine also but bouncing the bale the rear was near rock solid, even had no trouble moving it in 2wd. That and being able to get linked pedals, rubber deck mat, rear fuel tank, fender mounted loader joystick, telescoping draft links, it was cheaper and seemed like a no brainer. Plus many Kubota dealers didn't seem very interested in doing business unless you walked in and took a stock tractor right off the lot.

 

[Kioti Mike]

The Kubota B2320 weighs 1400 the Ck2510 was 2200 the dealer filled the rear tires with liquid and the front tires with foam for no extra money. Great people to deal with they have been in business for over 50 years

 

[CMV]

On the 2 vs 3 range...had hi/low on my LS, H/M/L now on the Kioti and agree, yes, most stuff gets done in M, but find myself in L quite frequently.

However, on the LS with only low/high, everything had to get done in low - high was only good for running down the road. But low had a little more range and went up to 5mph. Not sure what kind of work one would be doing on a machine that small and 5mph wasn't fast enough? With a small machine that has no weight, pretty small tires, and maybe not much in terms of seat suspension, you can't travel as fast over uneven ground. Those things combined will make the machine just beat you to death. Unless mowing a golf course of football field, I didn't miss not having M range on the LS because I would have found very limited times I could do anything with faster ground speed. So now on a larger machine, I really appreciate M range and would hate not having it. On previous machine I didn't care it was missing - not because I didn't have so wasn't accustomed to it (don't miss what you never had) - but even if it were there, would have still been in L 99% of the time anyway.