ToddW
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Wow, thats huge, never saw a 3pt one that large before.RedDog said:
Rotary Cutter Looking for a New Brush Cutter
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Farmwithjunk
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Just looked on the Bush Hog site. They list a model 3210, 10-1/2', 60HP min. A model 3414, a whopping 14' requiring 80 HP, and a enormous model 4215, 15' requiring 125 hp, and all three are 3-point models (CAT II and CAT III)
The thought of a 15' 3-point hitch mounted bush hog takes a moment to digest.
The thought of a 15' 3-point hitch mounted bush hog takes a moment to digest.
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Very nice, thanks for the pic. I've never seen a fixed 3pt 12' mower. Plenty of 10' and a few 12' that are v-cut, or ditch mowers.. hammerhead style mowers.. etc.
It's style is similar to my 10' mower.. I'll guess it ti 2 spindles. 6' blades.. much like a 10' is 2 spindles w/ 5' blades.. and the center gearbox is just a power divider.
Does it have any flex couplings between the gearboxes and drivelines? Did you not like it and that was why you are selling it? or did you upgrade?
If you don't mind me asking.. what did you pay for it when you ought it, and was it new then.
How did it run for you, and what are you letting it go for now ($).
thanks
Soundguy
It's style is similar to my 10' mower.. I'll guess it ti 2 spindles. 6' blades.. much like a 10' is 2 spindles w/ 5' blades.. and the center gearbox is just a power divider.
Does it have any flex couplings between the gearboxes and drivelines? Did you not like it and that was why you are selling it? or did you upgrade?
If you don't mind me asking.. what did you pay for it when you ought it, and was it new then.
How did it run for you, and what are you letting it go for now ($).
thanks
Soundguy
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I'll guess it ti 2 spindles. 6' blades.. much like a 10' is 2 spindles w/ 5' blades.. and the center gearbox is just a power divider.
Nice try, but off. It has 3 gearboxes with 3 blades.
Does it have any flex couplings between the gearboxes and drivelines?
No flex.
Did you not like it and that was why you are selling it? or did you upgrade?
I like it, just don't have any use for it now. I was using it on my parents and brothers vacant lots to mow. A local farmer now comes in and makes hay off of the lots.
If you don't mind me asking.. what did you pay for it when you ought it, and was it new then.
It was used when I got it. Cost was FREE for hauling it away!! And no I do not mind you asking.
How did it run for you, and what are you letting it go for now ($)
It runs great. I just tried it out Sunday and it worked fine. I wanted to make sure it still worked since I had not used it this year. I have it and my 7' Landpride finish mower for $1,600 each.
Happy 4th, RedDog
Nice try, but off. It has 3 gearboxes with 3 blades.
Does it have any flex couplings between the gearboxes and drivelines?
No flex.
Did you not like it and that was why you are selling it? or did you upgrade?
I like it, just don't have any use for it now. I was using it on my parents and brothers vacant lots to mow. A local farmer now comes in and makes hay off of the lots.
If you don't mind me asking.. what did you pay for it when you ought it, and was it new then.
It was used when I got it. Cost was FREE for hauling it away!! And no I do not mind you asking.
How did it run for you, and what are you letting it go for now ($)
It runs great. I just tried it out Sunday and it worked fine. I wanted to make sure it still worked since I had not used it this year. I have it and my 7' Landpride finish mower for $1,600 each.
Happy 4th, RedDog
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I missed it at first glance.. but after looking again.. i see the outter gearboxes are rather close to the deck edge.. no way it could have been 2-6' blades.. more like 4' blade path.. I'll bet that mower is nice and shallow.. probably sticks out back like a 5' mower or less. .. depending onthe tailwheel setup.
Is it a finish mower or spec'ced for sough cut?
Purchase price was outstanding!! What an awesome deal.
Your sales price is also generous. I don't imagine you will have a problem moving it... Brand name doesn't hurt either. If I didn't have my batwing.. I'd be eyeing it myself.. that and a road trip..
thanks for the info.
Soundguy
Is it a finish mower or spec'ced for sough cut?
Purchase price was outstanding!! What an awesome deal.
Your sales price is also generous. I don't imagine you will have a problem moving it... Brand name doesn't hurt either. If I didn't have my batwing.. I'd be eyeing it myself.. that and a road trip..
thanks for the info.
Soundguy
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; the things that go on while one is away...]
To repeat what I said from an older post elsewhere (or was it above in this thread--anyway, long time ago), one thing my brother in law pointed out is that these wide one piece cutters tend not to cut as well on irregular land (ie, bumpy, not necessarily hilly) since the flexible but individually smaller bat wing sections can conform better.
Also, there is a middle version of the larger cutters, betw the pull types and 3 pt hitch, called "semi-mount". Basically it's my understanding that a SM uses something akin to a "2 pt hitch", that is, no top link but hooked to the 2 side links. I tend to run my BH 1287 that way and it works pretty well. The problem with 3PH for big stuff is that it does not float to the terrain as well, IMHO.
Also, as a dealer recently pointed out to me about a hay rake I was eyeballing (one of those nice very pricey German ones), it does not take as heavy a tractor to run a pull type implement as a similar 3PH one. I suppose that is because of that leverage factor SG & FWJ were "debating" a while back. And if it is pull type, by definition you cannot pick it up with the hitch. Back up off a hillside using a pull type cutter and it will want to flop, I'm guessing. That is if you can back it up, not as easy with a pull type as w/ a 3PH.
I'm still looking for a good used Batwing, nearby preferred of course (VA). The only color I'm trying to avoid is a predominance of RUST.
Jim
[glad those swords are back in the scabbords
; the things that go on while one is away...]To repeat what I said from an older post elsewhere (or was it above in this thread--anyway, long time ago), one thing my brother in law pointed out is that these wide one piece cutters tend not to cut as well on irregular land (ie, bumpy, not necessarily hilly) since the flexible but individually smaller bat wing sections can conform better.
Also, there is a middle version of the larger cutters, betw the pull types and 3 pt hitch, called "semi-mount". Basically it's my understanding that a SM uses something akin to a "2 pt hitch", that is, no top link but hooked to the 2 side links. I tend to run my BH 1287 that way and it works pretty well. The problem with 3PH for big stuff is that it does not float to the terrain as well, IMHO.
Also, as a dealer recently pointed out to me about a hay rake I was eyeballing (one of those nice very pricey German ones), it does not take as heavy a tractor to run a pull type implement as a similar 3PH one. I suppose that is because of that leverage factor SG & FWJ were "debating" a while back. And if it is pull type, by definition you cannot pick it up with the hitch. Back up off a hillside using a pull type cutter and it will want to flop, I'm guessing. That is if you can back it up, not as easy with a pull type as w/ a 3PH.
I'm still looking for a good used Batwing, nearby preferred of course (VA). The only color I'm trying to avoid is a predominance of RUST.
Jim
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Yep.. i used a 10' 3pt mower for a while cutitng my pastures... If you hit a shallow area the outter edges DO tent to scalp or drag.. unless you cut high enough.
The smeimounts are neat.. they have hyd tail wheels usually.. a JD MX10 is a nice example.. It's essentially a 10' drag type without the tounge and instead uses the hitch arms.
Main 'advantage' if you want to call it that is that you can back it as easilly as a 3pt mower, and it tracks like a 3pt in a turn.. in other words.. it swings wide.
Yep... weight is a big concern for large 3pt equipment vs drag equipment.
I got a jd 1517 15' batwing a few months back... and am I glad i did. Cut mymowing time by 1/3 almost.. and cuts great.
Mine was well used and came from a horse farm.. I had to power wash it for a week before repairing it, priming and painting.
Keep lookng..use dones -DO- come up. ( sometims at a good price too.. as long as you get to them first ).
Soundguy
The smeimounts are neat.. they have hyd tail wheels usually.. a JD MX10 is a nice example.. It's essentially a 10' drag type without the tounge and instead uses the hitch arms.
Main 'advantage' if you want to call it that is that you can back it as easilly as a 3pt mower, and it tracks like a 3pt in a turn.. in other words.. it swings wide.
Yep... weight is a big concern for large 3pt equipment vs drag equipment.
I got a jd 1517 15' batwing a few months back... and am I glad i did. Cut mymowing time by 1/3 almost.. and cuts great.
Mine was well used and came from a horse farm.. I had to power wash it for a week before repairing it, priming and painting.
Keep lookng..use dones -DO- come up. ( sometims at a good price too.. as long as you get to them first ).
Soundguy
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Farmwithjunk
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One lesson I've learned over the years, no matter what the advantages or DISadvantages of a particular piece of equipment, you can adapt your "practices" to make the best use of what you have at hand.
Explaination... When a certain mower might tend to scalp an irregular ground feature, you may need to alter your angle of approach. On my new place, there's about 5 acres that were terraced (erosion control) many years ago. The field is essentially a big square. I have to cut the terraces first, then cut the rolling ground between them more or less as a seperate "job". It takes longer, but I can cut shorter without mowing dirt.
With irregular terrain, I've gravitated to mowers the same width as the tractors rear wheels. A few years back, I had a 110 HP tractor and a batwing. Almost useless on this type of ground. I borrowed a semi-mounted 12' mower for about an hour. On rough ground, it had all the DISadvantages of a mounted mower AND the disadvantages of a wide batwing all rolled into one mower. It worked like a charm in the flat, open pastures. If I was to need a bigger mower again, a semi-mount would be high on my list.
I ended up selling the tractor and the mower. Just didn't work well on my place. Too big for my needs.
I LOVE the area I live in. Everything from open bottom land to steep hills, creeks, dense woods, and gentle rolling fields. We have to gear mowers towards the most difficult parts of the job and compromise on the flat, open land.
In the end, what works well for one person on one type of terrain may not work at all for another person on his terrain. I haven't found that "does everything well" mower yet.
I find it amusing when people try to give advice "across the board" based on their personal situation, not always considering (or even knowing) the conditions the recipient of that advice is working with. I find myself guilty from time to time of doing the same thing. Best to remember to take everything we hear with that proverbial grain of salt.
Explaination... When a certain mower might tend to scalp an irregular ground feature, you may need to alter your angle of approach. On my new place, there's about 5 acres that were terraced (erosion control) many years ago. The field is essentially a big square. I have to cut the terraces first, then cut the rolling ground between them more or less as a seperate "job". It takes longer, but I can cut shorter without mowing dirt.
With irregular terrain, I've gravitated to mowers the same width as the tractors rear wheels. A few years back, I had a 110 HP tractor and a batwing. Almost useless on this type of ground. I borrowed a semi-mounted 12' mower for about an hour. On rough ground, it had all the DISadvantages of a mounted mower AND the disadvantages of a wide batwing all rolled into one mower. It worked like a charm in the flat, open pastures. If I was to need a bigger mower again, a semi-mount would be high on my list.
I ended up selling the tractor and the mower. Just didn't work well on my place. Too big for my needs.
I LOVE the area I live in. Everything from open bottom land to steep hills, creeks, dense woods, and gentle rolling fields. We have to gear mowers towards the most difficult parts of the job and compromise on the flat, open land.
In the end, what works well for one person on one type of terrain may not work at all for another person on his terrain. I haven't found that "does everything well" mower yet.
I find it amusing when people try to give advice "across the board" based on their personal situation, not always considering (or even knowing) the conditions the recipient of that advice is working with. I find myself guilty from time to time of doing the same thing. Best to remember to take everything we hear with that proverbial grain of salt.
