Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210

   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #41  
Cause those 6'ers will last 750,000-1,000,000 miles easy(if the pickup does not fall apart around it).

Note too, IH/Navistar/Ford went to a smaller displacement engine to replae the earlier PSD.
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #42  
Most diesels are good for 4X the service life miles of a gasser.
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #43  
I agree completely. I used to haul my tractor on a dual axle 16' trailer (with brakes) with my heavy 1/2 ton Ford. It worked, but I was always uneasy. Brake wear was excessive, power was minimal and I just always felt like the trailer weight was pushing the truck around (even with properly adjusted trailer brakes). I certainly didn't feel safe at interstate highway speeds, but slow moving on back roads was ok. I traded that 1/2 ton for a 3/4 ton Dodge with Cummins diesel. What a difference. Now the load feels safe and stable, and I have plenty of power. Now it feels like the truck is handling the trailer instead of the other way around. Oh, I also get 20 mph with the cummins diesel (instead of the 12 mph I got with the small block v-8). A 3/4 ton diesel is the only way to go for towing.
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #44  
My 2 cents, OK I'll give you whole nickel...It depends so much on how much towing you will do, what the terrain is like and how much you are going to use the truck for other things. Do you want to ride around in a rough riding truck the other 90% of the time?

The first thing I would keep in mind is that "tow ratings" have nothing to do with how the vehicle will tow something other then the higher the better. Your typical truck salesperson will simply look at a chart and say.."yes you can tow that!!!" Tow ratings I sincerely believe are based on what weight you can put behind it and not void the warranty for abusing the vehicle for warranty repairs. It does not mean you can tow said trailer without some white knuckle towing adventures i.e. trailer jerking you around like you weigh nothing, scaring the xxxx out of you on a bridge, running at MAX "safe" temperature, and letting you drive with 10 cars behind you like baby ducks who will risk their lives, your lives and anyone elses life to pass your slow truck.

I have used a half ton truck to tow a 7500 lb trailer and tractor (never again), used a 3/4 Ton 460 Ford which towed wonderfully, but literally beat me to death if I wanted to go anywhere with it empty. (90% of the time). I settled on a happy medium, a 99 Chev 3/4 Ton extended cab w/454 Vortec V8. When Chev went to the Vortec engines in 96 it made a big difference in the engines. The best thing is that this truck rides rougher then a half ton but nothing like my Ford. I don't cringe at the thought of my bones being rattled apart if I want to go somewhere empty. Unfortunately the newer (2001) Chevy's ride rougher probably due to their now 15K tow rating? We don't use this truck much so the gas vs diesel debate is moot. It is low enough that you can actually reach over the sides and get stuff and get in it easily. I also plan on towing a 4210 with it shortly. Currently towing a 6400 Kubota TLB, trailer weighs about 2500. (10K trailer). The truck weighs about 5800 and gets jerked around now and then even with a weight distributing hitch and sway control. Still have some more experimenting to do at the weigh station with axle versus tongue weight though. If I want to control tractor even better I can strap on leaf spring helpers. At least I can take them off the rest of the time if I want. E rated tires on the truck seem to help if you want to keep sway at a minimum. I have also seen people towing with trailers whose tires are not rated for anywhere near what the trailer is hauling...

The gas versus diesel longevity debate is interesting as rebuilding engines seems to be a rather minimum cost these days compared to insurance and other repairs. I've seen some reman blocks pretty reasonably priced, even at the dealer. The thing that will knock you over from either vehicle are those little black boxes that cost $900 after you pay them $200 to tell you that you need one. The other thing to figure in is truck length, longer the wheelbase the better it seems to tow, and the worse it seems to park. I have a short box on mine and it is much easier to park then my old long bed extended cab ford. Up until I heard Chevy's current diesel I would never have bought a diesel as I can't get past that terrible knocking (which is how a diesel combusts the fuel). They were/are loud and obnoxious. Semi's don't sound that way, most tractors don't, but the pickups, geez. The new Chevys sound like my Kubota (quiet). I know, I know, I must be getting old!
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #45  
I do concur that 4WD should be considered. If you are just towing on pavement 4WD is a waste, but many times tractors go to odd spots and you may not be able to get the truck and trailer out of a place you go into! Sometimes you have turn around on your rough land, or negotiate a steep area, a 2WD becomes helpless in a hurry as the trailer weight can affect the rear axlel weight. I helped one fellow out of a jam though with his 2WD but just backing up until the tension was off his weight distributing hitch so we could remove the spring bars. With the trailer weight more on the hitch he was able to get up on to the road OK.
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #46  
Cause those 6'ers will last 750,000-1,000,000 miles easy(if the pickup does not fall apart around it).

Note too, IH/Navistar/Ford went to a smaller displacement engine to replae the earlier PSD.


Cummins are great motors but MOST people aren't going anywhere near 750,000 to a 1,000,000 miles without a rebuild. Most Cummins owners aren't Hotshot drivers it would take them 50 years to reach 1 million miles. They are going to be stopping and starting that motor MANY thousands of times. Those million mile figures might work for someone who starts the truck and shuts it down 500 or 1,000 miles later most times. Not knocking the truck but it's a very rare motor that is going to last most of us that long with the way the average pickup is used.


Even the folks on the Turbo Diesel Registry seem to post about 300,000 or maybe 400,000 being more likely rebuild time. I know you know people who got more but I am talking averages here. In fact Cummins themselves rate the motor as follows: "For the 2003 Cummins Turbo Diesel, this translates to 350,000 miles average life-to-overhaul"

As far as the Ford the should have kept the 7.3 from everything, I read at least until they worked the kinks out. I have 100,000 on my PSD and am sure 300,000+ is in the future.. when my son is driving the pile of rust and dents that is /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #47  
yes we can argue over the numbers, but the bottom line is the average user will get alot more miles out of the diesel than a gas burner. The diesel is just more heavily built.

Most 3/4 tons wieght about a ton more than a 1/2 ton. Thats a lot of extra beef and makes a major difference.

Fred
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #48  
I think that the most important factors are: 1) performance - a diesel just handles loads and performs better. Engine compression braking is also a big diesel plus for towing (slowing/ stopping is safer and puts far less strain on the brakes; and 2) fuel mileage -diesels just perform with far less fuel consumption (the performance of a 3/4 ton with the fuel economy of a compact pickup).

Longevity is just an added benefit. But the longevity factor sure is nice because I don't worry about puttin the miles on mine, when I know that I can get 300,000+ miles out of my truck. Also, diesels tend to perform for their full service life. They will still work for you at 250,000+ miles. Gassers will run with 200,000 miles, but that's about it. They usually aren't much on performance once they get worn and some mileage on the odometer. Try to work a 200,000+ mile gasser by uphill towing. I'm betting that the blue smoke will be seen for miles around and the traveling speed will result in a long parade of vehicles behind.
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #49  
I really like my Cummins diesel. It is a great motor!

But... When I sold my '89 F250 (removed), It had 225,000 miles on it. I had returned from a trip to Canada only a few thousand miles before. On that trip I used a rather large for a 3/4-ton, 11' camper. Performance was fine. No smoke. That 351 was a real miser on oil, I guess making up for how much gas it used /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / Looking for truck to tow John Deere 4210 #50  
Not likely that any OEM engine will even see 400k without a overhaul. As far as I know all of the Big 3 are rated at 350k. I drive 1k a month and at 250k the rest of the truck is so beat down that is simply no longer cost effective to rebuild it. The front end , axles, trans etc just wont run that long. I'm sure theres a few who have done it but I sure wouldn'y make any purchaseing descisions on over the OEM rebuild rateings. Even at 250k the Diesel is a bargain at about twice the reccomended overhaul mileage for a gasser. I still cant see chooseing a straight 6 over a BIG 8 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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