Dealer Looking to buy..........

[theone28351]

Hello to the forums,
I guess my first question would be has anyone dealt with this company

From what i have read on the forums in the last couple of weeks the dealer you choose has just as much, if not more, to do with the actual tractor you purchase. I have purchased 9 acres flat land and will start building my house next year. I have cut the grass there twice and it took almost 5 hrs with two ZTR's 42' residential and 60" commercial then almost 9 hrs the second using just one mower. I tried to talk to my wife about a tractor she says we don't need one......after 2 hrs on the 42' ZTR she said "Baby WE need A tractor!!":thumbsup: I have been looking at the jinma 284 and the LS 3033 but have yet to go and test drive either, plan on doing that 9/29/2012. I will be using primarily for lawn maintenance but I first have to get one established, what we were cutting were weeds,crows feet, dandelions, with very little grass. I was looking at the package deals with rear finishing mower, FEL, Box or Scrape, Auger, trailer and maybe tiller. I don't wanna get a tractor that will cut my grass fine but when i need to do something heavier it won't, so HP is undecided for me. I looked at the 25HP they have but my ZTR is 21 and it bogs in thick grass, I know its not the same setup just not sure what HP i should get. This will be my first tractor so any advice on sizing and models would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[plowindeeper]

Never dealt with company.Will give a little advise though. One day any tractor will break down. Make sure you get one you can get parts for. Dealer is a BIG factor. I went John Deere only because I had 6 dealers within 60 miles, 1 6 miles away, 1 25 miles and 1 30 miles. Also had 4 New Holland dealers in same area; probably 20 other tractor dealers of various brands. I only considered JD and NH because of having several dealers in area for parts (if one don't have it the other one will). Next I'd consider price.
My dad has a Massy Fergason we have to drive 120 miles one way to get parts for. Just hope you get the right one when your there we had one dealer when he bought it in 1976.
On another note read alot here
and finally you will never have enough attachments
Good luck

 

[94BULLITT]

I agree with plowin, where is your next tym dealer? A 25hp diesel tractor will have way more power than your ZTR that is 21. Since you want to mow and do other chores I would look at a Kubota B series tractor. I would look at something like a Kubota B3200 or John Deere 2720. You do not want to get a heavy tractor for mowing grass around your house.

 

[creekbend]

When I was looking to purchase a tractor, I thought about the package deals offered by this Company. Even though, I am located in NC, I decided against it because of the distance involved in regards to proximity to dealers. In the end, I bought a Kubota. My Kubota dealer is 16 miles away. Take your time and consider all your needs, both present and future. Best wishes.

 

[theone28351]

Thanks for the replies.

@plowin, I went to the john deere dealer 1st i have one right in my hometown but the prices were absolutely out of my price range, I found plenty of deals on tractor house that beat his prices by a mile. All i hear about them is how high they are, i have a deere ZTR and i won't even take it to them for service.

@bullit That is the closest TYM dealer near me, we have one Kubota dealer that is on the way to the dealer in Salemsburg and i plan on stopping by and talking to them also. I plan on doing more than mowing just not sure what all i will do, garden maybe, flower beds definitely, goldfish ponds definitely, and my land has to be discs up and leveled, it is very bumpy riding across it but smooth up and down, it was a cotton field about 15-20 yrs ago.
Kubota B3200 with FEL and Box sure look nice on that link. That's what i have in mind for my needs, just don't wanna need the HP later and not have it, but i see what you are saying about too big of tractor.

@creekbend The Kubota dealer is 1 hr away while the TYM, LS, Jinma is 1 hr and 30 min away, so it wouldn't be that much further IF price and dealer service is better. I have to some research on the Kubota dealer to see how they rank and then talk it out. My neighbor behind me was cutting his grass with a Kubota maybe I'll introduce myself and pick his brain about his tractor and dealer.

Thanks

 

[RPW]

For a deere you do pay a premium bit there's a reason. They've been around for a long time and you still can get parts for some of they're oldest machines. You might consider getting just the tractor and FEL but get the rest of you implements elsewhere.

 

[meburdick]

You may want to go back to the Deere dealer and talk with him about "Deere Season". It's over for this year, but next Spring it will be back. During that period, there different incentives that can make that price much more palatable. 0% financing, rebates, and free add-ons may make a "total machine" purchase make more sense. That's exactly how I was able to grab my 2520 for LESS than it would have cost me to get a 2320 at the time, with the exact same bundle of attachments.

Something else you want to do is consider TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) and not just Sticker Price for the equipment. plowindeeper makes an excellent point that your machine, whatever you buy, will eventually need service and/or repairs. Ask the dealers about whether or not they charge for transport, how much, what the service costs are, etc. Be sure that you add in all of the expenses you will incur to own and operate a machine over at least a three-year period.

Consider the length of warranty, available attachments, ease of use, etc. If you buy a tractor solely on price, you will end up with a machine that has satisfied only the lowest of criteria that you should be considering. What it can do, how well it can do it, and how comfortable you are while it's doing what it does all rank WAY above $$$ in the end.

 

[theone28351]

@RPW I understand "you get what you pay for" but not in all cases. The deals i found cheaper on tractor house were John Deere deals at a much lower cost than he is offering when i talked to him about the deals i seen he wouldn't budge off his price........so with that said i am still looking at options i have considered just what you said "You might consider getting just the tractor and FEL but get the rest of you implements elsewhere." So that option is not off the table. I am living on one property and trying to establish another so a trailer is a must, I guess when i get home I'll post some pics of both properties, that might shed some light on what tractor will best fit my needs.......

@meburdick You make some very good points and i didn't know about Deere Season but will inquire, and yes after sitting on my deere Zero turn for 8 hrs my back was killing me, i know its just not the right machine for the job as far as size goes. I will ask all these questions and more, thanks for the insight.

Thanks

 

[94BULLITT]

You could buy a tractor and watch craigslist for used implements. If you are looking for a trailer you may want to check out kaufman trailers. They have some good prices. Depending on where you buy your tractor the dealer may make a good deal with the tractor, trailer, and some implements. Some dealers will give you price and will not budge off of it. What I meant earlier about tym was if that dealer goes out of bussiness where is the next one?

 

[meburdick]

You could buy a tractor and watch craigslist for used implements. If you are looking for a trailer you may want to check out kaufman trailers. They have some good prices. Depending on where you buy your tractor the dealer may make a good deal with the tractor, trailer, and some implements. Some dealers will give you price and will not budge off of it. What I meant earlier about tym was if that dealer goes out of bussiness where is the next one?

You could also start watching Craigslist *now* to see what sort of things tend to become available in your area. If you see a lot of equipment to fit Kubota, having a Deere won't help you in that area.

Kaufman was one of the trailers I looked at. They sell direct, so the trailer price itself is usually very competitive. Since you're "close" to where they're made, transport should be decent too. What I found was that the total cost of a Kaufman got me a trailer of quality "X". That same total cost from Anderson (the one I bought) got me beefier trailer. I also found that I could get somewhat competitive total pricing with Big Tex, but didn't care for my dealer at all.

 

[RPW]

Your correct not all dealers are "dealers" and you can find good deals through other media but the point I was making, and you picked on that, is that the reason Deere commands a premium price is that they have a quality product and have the parts/service network to back them up worldwide. There are other brands just as good as Deere and with very good networks also. From the dealers you have around you see if they'll bring a model similiar to what you want to your property so you can see and feel in a real world enviroment what the machine can do for you. Two things I'd want to know is how does it move dirt and how it mows. You'll get a good idea of noise, vibration etc. I'm a big Deere fan but the other weekend I was picking up some hay for my horses and the gentleman had a Kubota with cab (probably about a 50 - 60HP) and was impressed by how quiet it was. I just don't have a Kubota dealer within reasonable distance from me.

 

[theone28351]

These first two pics are where I am staying now, as you can see the driveway to my property is in very bad shape. I would like to fix it up while I am still here, four other families share this road and most are either out of work or retired so money wise no help. I already asked about fixing the road professionally but I would have to pay for it myself, still wanna help them b4 i leave.


The other 4 are from my property i will be moving on, lot nicer i think, but still needs some work. The pic with the vines in it and the ditch will be about as big as i will need to cut and very little of that. The long pic is standing near the road shooting to the back of the property, the trees are my property line, so you can see how far it goes back and 320 feet of road frontage. Just thought it might help in deciding the implements i may need....thanks

 

[94BULLITT]

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These first two pics are where I am staying now, as you can see the driveway to my property is in very bad shape. I would like to fix it up while I am still here, four other families share this road and most are either out of work or retired so money wise no help. I already asked about fixing the road professionally but I would have to pay for it myself, still wanna help them b4 i leave.


The other 4 are from my property i will be moving on, lot nicer i think, but still needs some work. The pic with the vines in it and the ditch will be about as big as i will need to cut and very little of that. The long pic is standing near the road shooting to the back of the property, the trees are my property line, so you can see how far it goes back and 320 feet of road frontage. Just thought it might help in deciding the implements i may need....thanks

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The pics kinda help but it still hard tell by not seeing it in person. The road where you currently live looks like it could benfit from being crowned and having some ditch along the sides. I would get some 21A to fill in the pot holes. They pack extremely tight. If you get a truck load it needs to be spread that day, it has to be spread wet. I think it has some concrete in it to help hold it in place. A tractor with a FEL and a box blade should do a pretty good job.

The pics of you property out by the road in the ditch look like to me that would be tough to run a tractor across. I would use a Trimmer with bike handle and a brush cutter on it, something like a stihl fs90. Do you plan on finish mowing all of that in the picture? If you do I would go with the biggest finish mower your whatever tractor you get can pull.

 

[Depmandog]

Theone....


Prior to purchasing my used Kobota on Craigslist, I seriously considered TYM. For the money, the TYM tractors are the most option loaded heavy built tractor you will (that I could) find. But I chickened out only because of the dealer.

The nice thing (besides the low price) - they include almost everything as standard equipment, which is very nice. Lights, remotes, quick hitch, etc etc.

The unit I drove last year had a Cat/Perkins engine, was very well built. I was truly impressed. The only thing I didn't like was the seat placement. I am a big tall guy, and I felt cramped. The dealer thought he could fab a riser for the seat and move it up and back if I bought it.

The company has been around for quite some time, making tractors for Mahindra. Only recently have they decided to roll out under their own name.

All in all, had this dealer had a larger facility which included a service bay (he worked on tractors outside) I probably would be the owner of a TYM603.

But instead I kept searching for a slightly used Kubota and after several months I found a 6 year old machine with 330 hours for half of new with a RC.

 

[jenkinsph]

There are lots of good compact tractor brands to choose from, I prefer Deere but for a 9 acre rectangle that is flat I don't think it makes much difference what brand you get. First thing I would do is take some samples in for soil anaylsis. So far I think just to fix this up I think I would hire out discing and harrowing for a one shot deal. I would buy a 3PH spin spreader to put out seed and fertilizer, you will need to do this ongoing so buy this tool. I would inquire of the local coop's to see if they have trucks to spread lime if your analysis indicates a need for it. I would look for a good 30 to 40 hp tractor with a fel and rear finish mower to maintain the grass. For the driveway maintenance (don't see it yet) if it is long I would get a good rearblade and a 6' wide landplane.

Clearing the property line might be tough with limited equipment at your disposal. Looking at the pictures I was wondering if that growth is covering up a mess of old brush piles and stumps, bet there is a reason the open area is cut close and this growth is still there. I don't think I would buy the equipment to tackle that work because it is a one shot deal, clean it out once and maintain it. If it is just some overgrown brush without a woodpile beneath it then hire someone to brush hog it once as low as you can and work with it from that point on.

I think it is importantto recognize that your land is 95% clear already. If you are anticipating building a house and money is tight I would have someone else with large equipment do the major work because a large wide disk and finish tools will give you a smoother end product. Once you get it smoothed out a couple of zero turn mowers should be able to mow it at or near full speed. I think hiring out the tillage work will be the cheapest way to go too assuming you have some farmers nearby, most i have ever known were always looking for cash sidework. Right now is a good time to plant most grasses and I would recommend it if your soil analysis doesn't show to low a ph. If you do need lots of lime then I would get that incorporated into the soil now and let it work over the winter and plant in the spring.

Using my method I think will be the cheapest way out and gives you the abilty to take your time shopping for the right tractor. I really prefer hydrostatic drive tractors for my close quarters work but that said I could easily see using my older 820 (31 pto hp) gear tractor to mow your place in a couple of hours. This tractor will be 40 yrs old this spring '13 and is as good as it ever was. I checked Tractorhouse and machinefinder this morning to get an idea of the price and I suspect about $6000 to $7000 is about right. The point is you can find a good used 30 to 40hp 2wd tractor in good condition and add a few attachments without breaking the bank.

 

[Gittyup]

The TYM is a good tractor. Dealer support is the key. I think parts for the T273 wouldn't be a problem. But, someone who knows how to service the machine expertly might be. That's what kept me from going TYM.

 

[theone28351]

What I meant earlier about tym was if that dealer goes out of bussiness where is the next one?

I have 3 dealers near me, well not so much, one is 58 miles, the next 66 miles and the last 76 miles.

The nearest Kubota dealer is 50 miles, there is a company that sells kubota a little closer but they don't come up under the dealer locator from Kubota's website???

I have 5 John Deere dealers within a 40 mile radius........I guess i need to check with them b4 I totally give up on the deere.

Do you plan on finish mowing all of that in the picture? If you do I would go with the biggest finish mower your whatever tractor you get can pull.

The house we plan on being 50 to 75 yards from the road so hopefully ALL the front will be centipede and the back well i want to put a small pond with trees and plants all around it but in short no hopefully not finishing mowing ALL 9 acres but probably 75% of it.

There are lots of good compact tractor brands to choose from, I prefer Deere but for a 9 acre rectangle that is flat I don't think it makes much difference what brand you get. For the driveway maintenance (don't see it yet) if it is long I would get a good rearblade and a 6' wide landplane.
If you are anticipating building a house and money is tight I would have someone else with large equipment do the major work because a large wide disk and finish tools will give you a smoother end product.
The point is you can find a good used 30 to 40hp 2wd tractor in good condition and add a few attachments without breaking the bank.

I agree with you here, if i was doing heavy farming then i think i would be more apt to spend more money on name brand versus off brand, but it will be a part-time tractor. Hopefully friends and relatives will not try and make it a full time tractor. The Guy that used to keep up the land stopped by and i asked him about going over every thing with HIS large disk and leveling everything out, he said it would be best to wait til after I built the house. Hopefully that project will be started this year or the very FIRST of next.

I seriously considered TYM. For the money, the TYM tractors are the most option loaded heavy built tractor you will (that I could) find.
The nice thing (besides the low price) - they include almost everything as standard equipment, which is very nice. Lights, remotes, quick hitch, etc etc.

This is exactly what go my eyebrow raised


I guess the biggest thing i need to look at is DEALER SUPPORT.......having a hard time finding any reviews of these dealers except for on their OWN website.....now i am not saying they are false testimonies but everyone knows every frog will praise HIS OWN pond!!

 

[plowindeeper]

When talking to the dealers make sure they know you don't care which brand you choose. Make sure they know your gonna check out other dealers.

I was buying a John Deere 681 tiller one time nobody had one on there lot. In fact not on single dealer had a tiller not even the local TCS. Prices between 5 local JD dealers varied between $4500 to $7800 make'um play ball with you. All but 2 changed there prices when I showed them my quotes from other dealers.

And the guy with the big equipment is right it would be better to wait After all the ruts and digging for elec-water_gas-septic is finished.

For a 9AC lot I'd go with a belly mower and turf tires after the initial set-up you won't need alot of tractor unless your gonna garden

 

[theone28351]

Thanks for all the responses, advice and helpful comments. I am going tomorrow to 3 different towns to look at John Deere (another dealer not the first one i spoke with) then down the road to Kubota and last the furthest from me will be TYM, LS and Jinma. Hopefully by driving the different name brands that will help making my final decision, if I like one ALOT i will be bringing it home tomorrow, if not I should have a bunch of questions answered and probably more questions for you guys.....

Thanks

 

[theone28351]

Ok I went to ALL the dealerships and drove several different tractors.....John Deere was about $250 cheaper than my local dealer 3032E with FEL for $17,250 with 0% for 60 months. Kubota was $19,000 for the LS3200 with FEL and 0% for 60 months and no payments til March or May 2013. Smiths enterprises was to say the least not what i expected, NO warehouse with 1 to 200 tractors they had about 10 tractors under carports, and no shop to work on them so i asked where to take it for warranty work. I would have to take to the MAIN dealership where all the internet pictures where taken or they would pick it and take it for me and charge for freight transportation and thats further away than they are. So anyway $14,000 for a TYM 293 at 5.6% financing, so i did all the figuring and I would be about $1,000 under the John Deere and about $1,500 under the Kubota. Today talked with another Kubota dealership that is actually closer than the one i went to the other day and he can do a LS3200 HST with R4 tires, FEL and a canopy for $18,000 delivered to my house.......Sounds pretty good to me plus all their service and warranty work is done there. Thinking about pulling the trigger tomorrow, sound like a good deal?? Anything else i should ask?? He really seemed genuine and wanted to make me happy by selling this tractor

Thanks