Loose dogs and owner responsibilty

[greatrandini]

Cuz I live in Kansas! I would never say that you should do something because that is the way Kansas does it.. Heck we can't teach evolution. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.....but Utah? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[greatrandini]

Why would your Vet be a stranger. Don't u take ur animals to the Vet? Ever? John Wayne was kind of "Macho!"

 

[KentT]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Cuz I live in Kansas! I would never say that you should do something because that is the way Kansas does it.. Heck we can't teach evolution. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.....but Utah? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif )</font>

Well Toto, we're not in Kansas any more...

I lived in Utah for 7 years, and spend 27 in the military, where death by firing squad is still legal, also... and I'm still not sure what would be considered humorous about either.

 

[dmccarty]

Mr. Great,

Do you have a hang up on John Wayne?

Our last dog was put down by a vet at our house. Since Chase was dying of cancer and the vets office was less than a mile from the house the doc and an assistent came and did the deed. It was better than trying to move the dog. Chase was regularly seen at three different vet practices for her treatment. The vet that showed up did not know Chase. She was a stranger.

Thankfully the vet was able to make a house call to put Chase out of her misery. Chase had a long struggle and it was time to end it. If the vet had not been able to make the house call, to spare Chase the suffering of being moved and driven in a car, I would have shot her.

I will leave that up to you if you think that makes me John Wayne or macho.

Dan

 

[Sigarms]

Some dogs get "plain nervous" going to the vet.

Although I never had to shoot a pet of mine, if the time "had come" to be put down and the dog didn't like going to the vet, it would take strength, but I can't help but think that my dog would rather spend his/her last minutes on this earth outside with me, enjoying nature, not in a vets office.

Best case scenerio is the vet can come to the house to put the animal down.

My question is if its a felony in some states to put a dog down yourself, where do you "draw the line"? How about hampsters? God forbid if you flush goldfish down a toilet!

Love my dogs to death, all four sleep with us. Although my comments may offend some, I do love animals.

 

[Jstpssng]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Honestly, other than some people who treat cats like varmints and using them for target practice, can't see a cat doing much harm to the point that a human would want to kill it. )</font>


Allright, I read this in the AM, but my comments would have gotten me banned from here. Let's see if counting to 10
thousand
(twice) has been any help.

A few reasons to kill a cat.

1; My friend's daughter still carries the scars on her face from when she was attacked in her yard by the neighbor's cat... 22 years ago when she was a toddler.

2: In this state at least, dogs are required to get rabies shots, although cats are not; we are also required to license them every year, comply with leash laws, and other miscellaneous ordinances; none of which you have to comply with. Rabies is a growing concern here. Yet if your cat contracts the disease and attacks my dog, I am faced with the choice of quarantining her for 60 days at my expense or having her put down... I raised my dog to love people, and honestly don't know what 60 days w/o human contact would do to her. I would have to have her put down.

3; I've spent a lot of time and effort to keep my dog from following her instincts and being a bully; this included preventing her from defending herself.Yet too many cat owners think it's funny when their "pets" beat up on my dog, even when she's on lead and unable to defend herself. She restrains, only because she wants to please me. In taking away her defense, I've assumed the role of her protecter.If I don't accept responsibilty and take action, all that training goes out the window.

4; Years ago I used to walk or catch a ride to work, about 1 mile away. Because it was summer, I left the rear sliding window in my pickup open. I didn't use the truck for a few weeks... when I got in it I discovered a male cat had been in and sprayed the seat. I could never rid the truck of the stench.
(I was tempted to put a 220 Conibear in the back window, but there were too many people around.)


Your attitude mirrors that of irresponsible owners everywhere. I.E.; MY pet is SO cute and loveable, NOBODY could ever dislike it. Unfortunately (for you) there are others who also care about their charges, yet still accept responsibility for their actions. Like it or not; I am sick of cats beating up on my dog when she's on lead... which I've discussed in another thread here earlier this week. If it happens again I WILL take action; preferably with a humane shot behind the ear, but if necessary I'll crush it's ribs, kick it in the head, or put it under the tires, if that's what it takes to protect my pal. I make no apologies... that's just the way that it is.

 

[Sigarms]

Well, none of my dogs were ever beaten up by a cat, but if they were, I would have a good talk with them /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

READ all of my post.

I think somewhere I mentioned that if you continue to have an issue with a cat, to "take care of the issue".

If you don't know what I mean by "take care of", I mean kill.

Fact is most of my life I have never had a horror story with cats. FUNNY THING is that the only one I've had is the one I curretnly take care of.

As for myself, if I had an issue with a cat, no qualms in taking care of the issue.

Now I know why I moved from Maine.

 

[JoeR]

My neighbor #1 called me the other day about his cat. The cat went missing. Of course, he got a cat, then let it out. I do not agree with that since domestic pets should not be allowed to roam the neighborhood. Anyway, turns out the cat got into the backyard of neighbor #2. Neighbor #2 heard his dogs going crazy and found that his dogs were attacking the cat that got into his backyard. He gets outside to find a cat with a broken back. Neighbor #2 said the cat had no tags, and he did not know who owned it. So, neighbor #2 shot the cat. He did not want a vet bill for a stray cat. Neigbor #1 finds out what happened and gets upset, but realizes he takes responsibility since he did not keep his cat out of trouble. Overall, I too would not have paid for a mortally wounded stray cat to be taken to vet.

Would a vet put down a mortally wounded animal for free if you brought it in? Assuming you do not know the vet personally.

Overall, I love my animals, but we should be passing laws to protect our children more than animals. Of course, there a people out there who believe animals are better than children, but in my opinion they have their priorities wrong.

Burning daylight here... Gotta run! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Joe



"Republic. I like the sound of the word"

 

[Jstpssng]

Sigarms, I do not mean to start a war; however, I DID read all of your posts. Three times now... once this AM, again beforer my last post, and lastly just now. You have never had a horror story with cats... you are lucky. I have given several examples of "a cat doing much harm to the point that a human would want to kill it." Yet like problem dogs the biggest trouble with cats begins with the owners.

Incidently I'm not sure what feline problems have to do with living in Maine... at least we have a healthy fisher popualtion to help control the cat problem.
Two of the worst incidents occurred while working in or traveling through Vermont. As mentioned in another thread, that was where the offending cat actually jumpd into my truck and attacked my dog. Yet some people find this incident hilarious... I don't.

 

[Sigarms]

Actually, I stand corrected. Two years ago when I first got married my wife and I were living in a residential "development". A black cat always came over, and yes, did dig around the yard and basically made a mess. Owner lived right across the street. Our next door neighbor who we were friends with (not the cat owner) had told us that she had talked to the cat owners in the past about their wondering cat and they still did nothing about him (the cat).

Since I knew the cat owners wouldn't do anything about their cat, there was no reason for me to ask them to do something about the cat, because if I did and all of a sudden if that cat "vanished", people could suspect myself in having something to do with it.

That black cat can no longer be found.

I don't find any animal attacks funny, I also don't find cat urine a pleasant smell.

Jstpssng, it seems that you consider myself a irresponsible (sp? I am a bad speller) pet owner, honestly, to that comment I take offense.

All of my animals are spayed, the only times our dogs are outside is when either my wife of myself is, OR they are in a fenced in area that I had build just for the dogs when we moved to our current house (also about $1200 in training collars so if they do run off for whatever reason, I can get them back at an instant). All of our dogs have taken obiediant (sp?) classes, and not once have I owned any dog that has attacked a person or another dog (I do have a beagle mix that likes to go after rabbits and moles however).

Seems that ANYONE who comes to our house finds our dogs very easy to get along with, including our foster dogs (about 20 have found homes in the short time working for the local Humane society, all of these dogs have lived under our roof and follow the same "rules" as our dogs).

The above paragraph can make life very interesting and frustrating at times, but honestly, do it because I can't stand to see an abandoned (sp?) dog.

Also found homes for about 50 kittens that have "stayed" with us as well. Sometimes it can be fun going almost everyweekend to PetSmart on a Saturday for 6 hours or so to try and find homes for unwanted animals. Kittens are much easier than dogs to find homes however (at least what I've found).

I'm not a saint, and not looking for pats on the back, just giving you my reasons why I took offense to your comment.

I also mentioned in previous post that if you have a "problem" and it cannot be adressed with the local owner, as long as the problem is on your property (or if an attack, at that moment), do what you must, just make it quick and easy.

To me though, there is a huge difference between an "outside house cat" and a feral cat.

On that note, if a neighbor were to mention to me that he was having problems with my cat, I would find her a new home. I also have 38 acres for this cat to "roam", and so far, no one has said anything to me about our cat.