etcallhome
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Just wondering where did you find the photo.????
Every time I go to Morgantown I see this sign ,,,sometimes more than once in day!!
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Just wondering where did you find the photo.????
Every time I go to Morgantown I see this sign ,,,sometimes more than once in day!!
slan
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I had a Pontiac Montana which would do exactly the same thing as the Toyota. Took it to the dealer four times and they could not duplicate the problem and thought I was nuts until I went with the service manager for a 20 minute drive. Was coming off the highway and he said "I cant see a thing wrong with the vehicle" Just as he was coming to a stop at the lights, it went half way to the floor by itself!
It turned out to be a defective sensor that makes sure the motor doesn't stall when the air conditioning unit or other sudden demands on the motor and a software glitch they missed.
Anything with a computer tied to dozens of sensors can and eventually will screw up in ways the designers haven't thought of yet.
At least Toyota is doing the right thing. Remember the tire issue a while ago? They tried to hide that for a while.
I find it dispicable that some brands are offering discounts if you trade your unsafe toyota in for a new car from them.
What do you think they will be doing with these unsafe cars? LOL
Corporate greed at its best!
It turned out to be a defective sensor that makes sure the motor doesn't stall when the air conditioning unit or other sudden demands on the motor and a software glitch they missed.
Anything with a computer tied to dozens of sensors can and eventually will screw up in ways the designers haven't thought of yet.
At least Toyota is doing the right thing. Remember the tire issue a while ago? They tried to hide that for a while.
I find it dispicable that some brands are offering discounts if you trade your unsafe toyota in for a new car from them.
What do you think they will be doing with these unsafe cars? LOL
Corporate greed at its best!
gbick
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Yes, we also make tie rod ends for two other manufacturers. Toyota has more quality checks.
Ron67
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BTW the new Prius has 27 onboard computers. Some Lexus have 33! There's a lot of stuff going on in these cars when you get in and turn the key. That is by no means an excuse for a defective part - especially when it's a safety concern, but I don't know if everyone realizes how complicated things have gotten. I say let's go back to the '60s when the crumple zone was the passenger compartment and several models exploded or caught fire in rear end collisions (no names please
). I have had 2 cars from the '60s and one didn't even have seatbelts. Yep, the good ole days!
). I have had 2 cars from the '60s and one didn't even have seatbelts. Yep, the good ole days!studor
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I had a Ford pickup truck that had the gas tank behind the seat. When I got hit from the side by a cement truck the tank leaked but luckily I got out just smelling of gasoline
I had a Plymouth where the engine mount sheared causing the throttle to stick open -- turned it off -- walked home
I had a Jeep that used to just cut out at highway speeds leaving you without power steering and brakes (turned out to be the ignition module)Fixed it myself after three trips to the dealer
I had a Pontiac Phoenix the had a clip drop off the shift linkage leaving it fourth on a twelve lane highway --used a piece of popcan to hold it untill I could get a replacement
I had a Toyota FJ that got the front sheared off by a Buick that ran a stop at at an intersection, flipped on its side, skidded on its side for 50 yards or so and then was hit by another car coming the other way. SWIMBO and I both walked away (admittedly a little banged up by seat belts and airbags).
I believe in my lifetime cars have become incredibly safer. The OP asked if I would have my loved ones drive a Toyota -- in comparison to some of the POS that I drove that had no concept of safety and for which I never recieved anything from the manufacturers except grief when I complained --I would say yes.
To claim that Toyota is a company with no sense of responsibility in an industry that in its history has had incidents that make one believe that that they viewed accidents as a way to sell another new vehicle just seems a bit extreme to me. I am not a diehard Toyota owner -- I have owned just about every make of vehicle going.
If all the claims were true and reporting was unbiased, you would think that all Toyotas should be taken off the road and company management put in prison. Following that logic one should never buy Tylenol, Chilean grapes, Ford Explorers and Firestone tires, California Strawberries, (and the list goes on) and a number of management from those organizations (and union leaders) should be in the same cell with Bernie Madoff.
If only the world were that perfect -- JMHO
I had a Ford pickup truck that had the gas tank behind the seat. When I got hit from the side by a cement truck the tank leaked but luckily I got out just smelling of gasoline
I had a Plymouth where the engine mount sheared causing the throttle to stick open
-- turned it off -- walked homeI had a Jeep that used to just cut out at highway speeds leaving you without power steering and brakes (turned out to be the ignition module)
Fixed it myself after three trips to the dealerI had a Pontiac Phoenix the had a clip drop off the shift linkage leaving it fourth on a twelve lane highway
--used a piece of popcan to hold it untill I could get a replacementI had a Toyota FJ that got the front sheared off by a Buick that ran a stop at at an intersection, flipped on its side, skidded on its side for 50 yards or so and then was hit by another car coming the other way. SWIMBO and I both walked away (admittedly a little banged up by seat belts and airbags).
I believe in my lifetime cars have become incredibly safer. The OP asked if I would have my loved ones drive a Toyota -- in comparison to some of the POS that I drove that had no concept of safety and for which I never recieved anything from the manufacturers except grief when I complained --I would say yes.
To claim that Toyota is a company with no sense of responsibility in an industry that in its history has had incidents that make one believe that that they viewed accidents as a way to sell another new vehicle just seems a bit extreme to me. I am not a diehard Toyota owner -- I have owned just about every make of vehicle going.
If all the claims were true and reporting was unbiased, you would think that all Toyotas should be taken off the road and company management put in prison. Following that logic one should never buy Tylenol, Chilean grapes, Ford Explorers and Firestone tires, California Strawberries, (and the list goes on) and a number of management from those organizations (and union leaders) should be in the same cell with Bernie Madoff.
If only the world were that perfect
-- JMHO
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We owned Honda Accord, two Subaru, Nissan Sentra, two Ford and about five GM cars. We bought them all used.
Honda rusted and had engine that would die for no reason and restarted only after about 30 minutes of waiting. Insulation on wiring harness hardened and cracked causing shorts in headlamps. It was cheap inside plastic armrest breaking and some other parts falling off. It was impossible defog side windows.
Nissan transmission was noisy from about 80K and chewed itself in pieces at about 150K. AC never worked.
Subaru Loyal (front wheel drive) didn't have any drive train or engine issues but was very cheap inside some plastic part falling off. After several trips to a dealer for repeated repair I just threw them to garbage.
Subaru Outback had at least one 100$ issue a month. Engine sensors, brake issues, leaky power steering pump and that sort of things.
Ford Tempo rusted and was cheap inside. It developed carburetor issue at about 180K.
GM conversion Van. Run with only few repairs such as new alternator. Then developed carburetor issue at about 180K. It wouldn't start hot.
Two Buick Regals. First one: Remote radio controls didn't work. Driver side windows would go down but not up without help at about 200K. Had to replace plastic fitting (5$) in cooling system and all four brake disks. Junked the car when one hydraulic lifter failed at 247K.
I still drive the second Buick Regal driver side window is not going up without help. Mice chewed up some wires so the dashboard fuse is blowing up and since the nest was on top of the radio I had to replace it. Had to replace faulty spark plug cable once. The car has about 240K.
Had Ford Taurus short time. Paid 2000$ for it but spent 2500$ for new trany and few hundred for a chain of small repairs such as water pump. Belt tensioner pulley etc. Then one hose on cooling system failed on Interstate the engine overheated and blew a head gasket hardly making it to a junkyard.
My opinion is that the perceived quality of the Japanese cars is much better than actual quality. The perceived quality of US made cars is much worse than the actual quality is.
We buy used cars with good reliability report (true or not) that are unpopular. They are cheaper and about as good as the popular cars. That is why we never bought a Honda or Toyota. Even used are expensive. My wife bought Subaru because she wanted 4WD and supposedly good quality. It was a mistake. Overpriced car with less than average quality IMO.
I work often as a subcontractor for Japanese engineering companies. Lying and hiding issues is typical behavior. They told me (On one of the jobs) that because they pay my bills I was required to tell the end user whatever lie they scripted for me. I told them that I will protect reputation of my employer and would tell the end user what the issues are. They assigned an engineer to me that didn't leave me even at the toilet to make sure that I wouldn't talk to anybody from the licensor or end user company, excluded me from meetings etc. Needles to say that it eventually blew in their face cost them a lot of money in repairs and reworking that could have been avoided if they would be upfront with the problems they were facing.
Honda rusted and had engine that would die for no reason and restarted only after about 30 minutes of waiting. Insulation on wiring harness hardened and cracked causing shorts in headlamps. It was cheap inside plastic armrest breaking and some other parts falling off. It was impossible defog side windows.
Nissan transmission was noisy from about 80K and chewed itself in pieces at about 150K. AC never worked.
Subaru Loyal (front wheel drive) didn't have any drive train or engine issues but was very cheap inside some plastic part falling off. After several trips to a dealer for repeated repair I just threw them to garbage.
Subaru Outback had at least one 100$ issue a month. Engine sensors, brake issues, leaky power steering pump and that sort of things.
Ford Tempo rusted and was cheap inside. It developed carburetor issue at about 180K.
GM conversion Van. Run with only few repairs such as new alternator. Then developed carburetor issue at about 180K. It wouldn't start hot.
Two Buick Regals. First one: Remote radio controls didn't work. Driver side windows would go down but not up without help at about 200K. Had to replace plastic fitting (5$) in cooling system and all four brake disks. Junked the car when one hydraulic lifter failed at 247K.
I still drive the second Buick Regal driver side window is not going up without help. Mice chewed up some wires so the dashboard fuse is blowing up and since the nest was on top of the radio I had to replace it. Had to replace faulty spark plug cable once. The car has about 240K.
Had Ford Taurus short time. Paid 2000$ for it but spent 2500$ for new trany and few hundred for a chain of small repairs such as water pump. Belt tensioner pulley etc. Then one hose on cooling system failed on Interstate the engine overheated and blew a head gasket hardly making it to a junkyard.
My opinion is that the perceived quality of the Japanese cars is much better than actual quality. The perceived quality of US made cars is much worse than the actual quality is.
We buy used cars with good reliability report (true or not) that are unpopular. They are cheaper and about as good as the popular cars. That is why we never bought a Honda or Toyota. Even used are expensive. My wife bought Subaru because she wanted 4WD and supposedly good quality. It was a mistake. Overpriced car with less than average quality IMO.
I work often as a subcontractor for Japanese engineering companies. Lying and hiding issues is typical behavior. They told me (On one of the jobs) that because they pay my bills I was required to tell the end user whatever lie they scripted for me. I told them that I will protect reputation of my employer and would tell the end user what the issues are. They assigned an engineer to me that didn't leave me even at the toilet to make sure that I wouldn't talk to anybody from the licensor or end user company, excluded me from meetings etc. Needles to say that it eventually blew in their face cost them a lot of money in repairs and reworking that could have been avoided if they would be upfront with the problems they were facing.
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We had a similar issue with the wife's Caravan when we bought it with 7x,xxx miles from my grandparents. ~1 hr of my time, a new window motor/regulator ($40ish from eBay), a few trim clips from the stealership ($5 APIECE IIRC, highway robbery when they (PN: 6505918-AA) can be had for $8/25 pack on eBay) and it is good to go again.
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That's my opinion, too.
Egon
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The local shop our vehicles go to can tell you what the cost per mile is for repairs performed at their shop.
When I asked them what were the cheapest cars to run they indicated some of the smaller GM's and Chrysler products were usually in the bottom category. The repair frequency was greater but the costs were low. On others the costs tended to be higher.
At that time my 96 Dodge was running at .09 cents per mile which kinda surprised me. Note; there is no deprecation, fuel, licensing, insurance taken into account. Just mechanical repairs and tires.
Maybe another item mentioned should be timing chains vs the cost of changing timing belts!
When I asked them what were the cheapest cars to run they indicated some of the smaller GM's and Chrysler products were usually in the bottom category. The repair frequency was greater but the costs were low. On others the costs tended to be higher.
At that time my 96 Dodge was running at .09 cents per mile which kinda surprised me. Note; there is no deprecation, fuel, licensing, insurance taken into account. Just mechanical repairs and tires.
Maybe another item mentioned should be timing chains vs the cost of changing timing belts!
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It really doesn't show that Toyota is handling the problem with their defective death causing vehicles correctly ( or even that their cars are really OK all this is just a bunch of media hype) just because someone can point to problems other vehicle makers have had.
>> Associated Press
Feb. 15, 2010, 9:46AM WASHINGTON — The government has received new complaints alleging 34 deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden acceleration since 2000. Many of the complaints have been filed in the past three weeks.
A government database on Monday shows that the government has received complaints alleging 13 additional deaths during the past three weeks. The deaths allegedly attributable to this problem happened in nine crashes between 2005 and 2010. Through the end of 2009, complaints alleging 21 deaths in Toyota vehicles had been filed with the government.
Toyota has recalled 8.5 million vehicles globally during the past four months because of problems with gas pedals, floor mats and brakes. The government typically receives a surge in complaints following a recall. None has yet been verified. <<<
People have died in Toyota vehicles due to defective parts which Toyota was FORCED to recall by the governemt after years of corporate foot dragging by Toyota.
It's simple. No matter how much the loyal Toyota owners want to make excuses it's a fact.
>> Associated Press
Feb. 15, 2010, 9:46AM WASHINGTON — The government has received new complaints alleging 34 deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden acceleration since 2000. Many of the complaints have been filed in the past three weeks.
A government database on Monday shows that the government has received complaints alleging 13 additional deaths during the past three weeks. The deaths allegedly attributable to this problem happened in nine crashes between 2005 and 2010. Through the end of 2009, complaints alleging 21 deaths in Toyota vehicles had been filed with the government.
Toyota has recalled 8.5 million vehicles globally during the past four months because of problems with gas pedals, floor mats and brakes. The government typically receives a surge in complaints following a recall. None has yet been verified. <<<
People have died in Toyota vehicles due to defective parts which Toyota was FORCED to recall by the governemt after years of corporate foot dragging by Toyota.
It's simple. No matter how much the loyal Toyota owners want to make excuses it's a fact.