LS MT573 vs Kioti RX7320

[THEPARTYHOUND]

I'm looking at new tractors and these are the two that the list has been whittled down to. I'm looking at something with a cab and power shuttle (reverser), and both of these fit that bill. From what i can tell, these tractors are very close in terms of capabilities, weight (the LS is about 500 lbs heavier), dimensions, very similarly equipped (although I believe the LS does have a 3rd function on the FEL). They are pretty close in terms of cost, although it appears that the Kioti is cheaper by a few K. Kioti also has much better flow through its hydraulic pump...19.23 gpm vs 13.2. Nearly 50% better flow. The LS comes in quite a bit higher in price @ $47k than what the Kioti is quoted at...$43k. Anybody out there have any real world experience with these two tractors? Do you have any reason to choose one tractor over the other with all other factors being equal?

 

[Diggin It]

I see an MT573CPS, is that what you mean?

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

Yeah, thanks, I corrected the title.

 

[Diggin It]

A quick national search on TractorHouse shows both models within a few hundred dollars. Did you get formal quotes from local dealers?

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

Yeah, I sure did. 47k was what I was quoted. I looked on tractorhouse too. Seems like my local dealer either doesn't have much buying power, or is making a bit more than everyone else! I just bought a used tractor from him last year too...

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I'm looking at new tractors and these are the two that the list has been whittled down to. I'm looking at something with a cab and power shuttle (reverser), and both of these fit that bill. From what i can tell, these tractors are very close in terms of capabilities, weight (the LS is about 500 lbs heavier), dimensions, very similarly equipped (although I believe the LS does have a 3rd function on the FEL). They are pretty close in terms of cost, although it appears that the Kioti is cheaper by a few K. Kioti also has much better flow through its hydraulic pump...19.23 gpm vs 13.2. Nearly 50% better flow. The LS comes in quite a bit higher in price @ $47k than what the Kioti is quoted at...$43k. Anybody out there have any real world experience with these two tractors? Do you have any reason to choose one tractor over the other with all other factors being equal?

I guarantee you that the 19.23 gpm is a combined total, power steering and implement pump. The LS is 19.8 GPM combined total.

The LS has a 20x20 for gears and the Kioti has a 12x12 trans.

The LS lifts more at both the 3pt and loader.

The Kioti is less $$$ because it has lesser capabilities.

Now in the real world, do the differences actually matter that much? It depends on if you use your equipment to the maximum capabilities or not. For a lot of people it would make zero difference, to some, the Kioti may not work well for them.

All things that should be considered IMO.

Just my :2cents:, good luck with your decision.

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

Yeah, i do see that the LS has better lifting on the 3 pt and loader...but only by less than a couple hundred lbs. For the sake of the discussion, I figure that is within the margin of error.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Yeah, i do see that the LS has better lifting on the 3 pt and loader...but only by less than a couple hundred lbs. For the sake of the discussion, I figure that is within the margin of error.

The 3pt lift is over a 1000lbs difference. The LS is rated at over 6600lb at the eyes, deduct 25% (typically is only about 20%) and you have about 5000lbs at 24" back. The Kioti is 3898lb @ 24" back. That is about a 25% difference, which is a lot in my line of thinking.

If you are going to "work" the tractor, the 20x20 trans would be much better than the 12x12 trans. I can tell you from personal experience that a 12x12 tranny is lacking in this size machine. :thumbdown:

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

I could see the 20 speed tranny being useful. Make it easier to find the right gear for the conditions.
I found 4,079 lb as the number listed for the 3 pt on the LS.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I could see the 20 speed tranny being useful. Make it easier to find the right gear for the conditions.
I found 4,079 lb as the number listed for the 3 pt on the LS.

I know for myself, I wish that I had a 16x16 trans at a minimum. When I disk, there are times where I simply DO NOT have the right gear. One gear the tractor pulls very easy, but to slow and the next gear up it lugs the engine to much and simply will not pull properly. And that is splitting gear ranges etc. The gear ratio needed simply IS NOT THERE.

This is what I see listed under specifications.

Hydraulic System
Hitch lift capacity, lbs: 6,614


Where are you seeing the 4,079 number?

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

This is where I found it.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

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This is where I found it.

Scroll down to the actual specifications below the pictures. All the info I'm seeing on the website actually showing specs is showing 6614 lbs for the hitch capacity.

I'm thinking that they have some of the photos mixed up on the website. Those are the same pics and weights as the XU series machines.

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

It really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I'm not here to debate the fine print in a sales brochure. Thank you for your time and input, but like I said in my original post, I'm looking for folks with real world experience with either or both of these tractors. Anyone?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

It really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I'm not here to debate the fine print in a sales brochure. Thank you for your time and input, but like I said in my original post, I'm looking for folks with real world experience with either or both of these tractors. Anyone?

I hope you get some "real world" responses that help you out, and that you're having a nice holiday season.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[Sparkeee24]

I happen to have the kioti rx7230 power shuttle cab creeper, and I love the transmission. I tried the xu series power shuttle, and the kioti was a smoother transmission. My dealer sold both kioti and ls, and he recommended the kioti in this size, and the LS in the XR frame size was just as good as the kioti offerings. It was another 900 for the creeper addition. Making it 24 x 24 and I love it. I have not tested or checked out the very latest LS MT series though.

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

Hey Sparkee, Do you find uses for the creeper gears and if so what? The tractor that I test drove had the creeper gears and there was so little difference between the lowest creeper gear and the highest creeper gear that there may have been just 1 creeper gear!

 

[Sparkeee24]

Tilling hard pack clay to add lots of amendments, positioning things with forks next to house, in bed of truck, or near expensive high risk things, implement hook up, stump and tree pulling, using boom pole for engine hoist....etc. I didnt find that all the creeper gears were the same. The LS 20x20 may have more diverse gear patterns, simply due to more standard gearing built in. I dont know as much about the LS. Does that size LS accept a backhoe?

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

Quite honestly, I have quit looking at LS all together. The dealer was not making me feel that was the direction I should be going in. I have decided on the Kioti and feel confident in my decision. So, I'm not sure if that LS accepts a backhoe or not. I've got easy access to a mini excavator and a pretty large industrial JD backhoe at work that I can take home on the weekends or whenever I need it, so I haven't really been seeking out info on a backhoe attachment.
I will have about 20 acres of clay to deal with. I had not thought about tilling it, but I could see where that would be a slow going process. I had planned to plow it to put the cheat grass under then disk it, but I don't know much about working ground...I have yet to ever put a crop in.

You do make a strong case for the creeper gears. I only ran the tractor around the parking lot, so that is not the best place to get a feel for all the features. I'm sure in real world experience I would find plenty of uses.

 

[Sparkeee24]

Speed table / chart for kioti rx series with creeper gear

 

[THEPARTYHOUND]

Thats pretty handy! That actually illustrates what I was saying pretty well...the first 10 or so gears of the creeper gear are so close together there is not a distinguishable difference between them. That sure does make for some low gearing!