MADE IN CHINA on JD

[RoyJackson]

Turbo36 have you been to china to visit the manufacturing plants?

I have and I can assure you the factories I visited are hardly slave driven. They are pretty high tech and workers seem happy. Another member here posted the same type of example talking about how generally the people are good and happy.

Having dealt with foreign nationals over the years (not chinese though), I can assure you that you were shown exactly what they want you to see. Don't be so naive as to think otherwise.

If you were the proverbial "fly on the wall", you would see the real china.

The applies to any country, of course...but china is not our friend...they are our enemy as well as a competitor

 

[JDCAN]

Having dealt with foreign nationals over the years (not chinese though), I can assure you that you were shown exactly what they want you to see. Don't be so naive as to think otherwise.

If you were the proverbial "fly on the wall", you would see the real china.

The applies to any country, of course...but china is not our friend...they are our enemy as well as a competitor

RoyJackson, I am not trying to change your views or anyones views here.

Honestly in all these postings nothing has been said or presented which would or could suggest "China is not our friends... they are our enemy as well as a competitor" Most of the anti-china comments have been personal views with no substance to support the theory.

Maybe we should just blow them up to solve our problems eh?

 

[JDCAN]

I am currently immersed in a fraud case involving forged documents from Mainland China that were washed through Taiwan and Brazil so don't give me this crap about how honorable the country it is. It's still a communist country without free choice of religion that has a culture of backhanded deals and bribery.
I know from your past posts that you are an importer so of course you will put on your "Rose Colored Glasses" and Sing Chairman Mao's praises. Time will prove what a mistake is is too allow America's (and Canada's in the long run) middle class to singlehandedly cure all of China's ills.
What companies do you personally know of in the US that pratice slave labor?

Turbo36 in regards to your comment of "What companies do you personally know of in the US that pratice slave labor?

Take a look here Secret Child Labor in America Very interesting read on child slave labour like conditions all over the USA.

Then when you finish that read and still don't believe it happens in your own backyard go visit Google and do some searching.

You will find all nations are guilty of this type of work including good OLD USA.

 

[JDCAN]

While allot of people have different views on these matters, I am sure we can all agree on something - The social problems our world faces, will not be solved with Barbaric actions, first and foremost we need to acknowledge the so called problems and then find a practical solution for the problems.

Without accepting we are the major cause for the world trading with China, nothing will ever change.

If Americans demanded more USA made goods and put the money where the mouth is, we would have less imports and less trade with other nations.

The dollar speaks louder than words.

The reality is USA is the biggest consuming market place in the world, USA does have the power to change anything they want. The question now lies if change is what all you Americans demand what is stopping you from change? Change your buying habits to support your views. If you are not willing to change at least keep the mouth shut and stop all the bickering.

In closing on the topic, clearly my views are worthless since I am an importer and rely on other nations to feed my family. Nobody should take any of my views personal in any shape way or form.

Cheers

 

[JDCAN]

Close to 4 percent of all 12- to 17-year-olds working in any given week were employed illegally.

Employers saved $155 million in wages last year by hiring underage children instead of legal workers.

Kruse's study could not account for all children who work illegally because available data are limited. For example, census-takers, like labor enforcement agents, have trouble finding the very kids who are among the most easily exploited: children of migrant workers, illegal immigrants and the very young.

Even so, U.S. Labor Secretary Alexis Herman called the study more comprehensive than anything her department had produced.

She said the AP's numbers, and the young faces behind them, highlight a home-grown version of what the Clinton administration and corporate leaders have addressed largely as a foreign problem.

``I don't think that we can lead from a position of integrity and be a world leader if our own domestic house is not in order,'' she said.

Jim Sinegal, president of Costco Wholesale Corp., said his company has monitored overseas suppliers for years to avoid products made with child labor.

However, the company acknowledged buying cherries from a packing plant in Washington state where Flor Trujillo, 15, and six other child workers under 16 were sickened by carbon monoxide last July. Children under 16 are prohibited by federal law from working in such plants.

``We obviously have to take a look a little closer to home,'' Sinegal said.

 

[RoyJackson]

JDCAN, you're either pretty young or your business depends on trade.

China has had a very long history of abusing their population. Just read some history. Of course, from the tone of your posts, you'll probably focus on the British Colonial period rather then the longer view so you can justify your posts.
But, I'm not criticizing china as much as our own government. There are a (relatively) few people making a lot of money from china artificially depressing their currency (which is an unfair trade practice). However, these are the folks that your senators listen too as that's where the money is. But thats getting political, which will get this thread closed.
If imports were required to adhere to the same standards and regulations that domestic manufacturers have to comply with, imports wouldn't be so attractive. Frankly, not only have we exported good paying jobs, we've exported the pollution and potential abuses that stem from manufacturing. That isn't a good thing from a world point of view and devastating from a domestic point of view (unless you think the US becoming a banana republic is a good thing).
I lost a job because it went to Mexico...so, obviously, I do have a prejudice (for lack of a better term).
Can we ignore china...no...we cannot. But we can ensure that china plays fair and items imported meet the same regulatory criteria we burden our own manufacturers with.

 

[Builder]

What's really ridiculous is JD moves production to China to lower costs, OK, I understand that. So why aren't the savings passed on to the buyer? Last time I checked, JD was still by far the most expensive tractor. You can buy a real Chinese tractor like Daedong, etc., for a fraction of the price of JD.

Sounds like to me JD and other US companies moving to China to lower costs are just being downright greedy. Corporate ownership is keeping all the savings of cheap Chinese labor. They're not passing any savings on to us.

Don't forget guys, China is one down & dirty trading partner. They're facing BILLIONS in patent infringement lawsuits from US companies, love to manipulate currency with the US and have a ridiculous trade IMBALACE with the USA.

 

[irwin]

Is it true that the money for THE WAR we are fighting was borrowed mostly from China? I've heard this from several media sources, and each time I hear this bit of data, I ponder my offspring still paying back this money many years from now..

 

[Yourkie]

Two points:

Most Service jobs (Electrician, plumber, etc.) are export proof.

I'm a software engineer so my entire type of job is in the process of
being outsourced however it does slow down. India is now almost as
expensive as the US for SE's since wages over there went way up.

As far as goods goes if the cost of fuel keeps going up transporting all that stuff here on ships is going to become a bigger and bigger piece of the pie until it precludes companies importing stuff. Why do you think Toyota, etc. have domestic manufacturing plants even considering the higher cost of American labor? It's not just to say they are made in the USA, it's to save $$ in shipping costs.

Actually it was our wages that have come down to meet the supply and demand from India (or China) on software engineering. The USA will soon become another third world country where the 1st world countries will look at the USA as just another site for a new and (#9) vacation homes. There will always be very wealthy residents that will call the USA their home, but most USA residents will have gone from a worldy middle class to 3rd world surfdom.

It happens in front of our eyes while politicos from both parties stick their head somewhere where the rich multi-nationalist companies can give them a generous kickback.

USA,Brazil, Mexico, Nicaraugua, etc will be corporate brothers in the 3rd world while China replaces the USA in the 1st world.

 

[JDCAN]

JDCAN, you're either pretty young or your business depends on trade.

China has had a very long history of abusing their population. Just read some history. Of course, from the tone of your posts, you'll probably focus on the British Colonial period rather then the longer view so you can justify your posts.
But, I'm not criticizing china as much as our own government. There are a (relatively) few people making a lot of money from china artificially depressing their currency (which is an unfair trade practice). However, these are the folks that your senators listen too as that's where the money is. But thats getting political, which will get this thread closed.
If imports were required to adhere to the same standards and regulations that domestic manufacturers have to comply with, imports wouldn't be so attractive. Frankly, not only have we exported good paying jobs, we've exported the pollution and potential abuses that stem from manufacturing. That isn't a good thing from a world point of view and devastating from a domestic point of view (unless you think the US becoming a banana republic is a good thing).
I lost a job because it went to Mexico...so, obviously, I do have a prejudice (for lack of a better term).
Can we ignore china...no...we cannot. But we can ensure that china plays fair and items imported meet the same regulatory criteria we burden our own manufacturers with.

Royjackson to answer the first part of your post, I am both young (at least like to think it) and rely on trade to make a living.

To add to the part of your post in which you stated the following “Can we ignore china...no...we cannot. But we can ensure that china plays fair and items imported meet the same regulatory criteria we burden our own manufacturers with”

Well China is a member of the WTO ( World Trade Organization) . As a member, China must adhere to the same rules and regulations of trade the other members of WTO follow.

USA is also a member of the WTO, so to make it real simple here, CHINA DOES PLAY FAIR. The items they export meet the same regulatory criteria that USA burden their own manufacturers with, since China can met the same requirements that USA put down, that explains why CHINA is a member of the WTO like USA and many other nations.

Now you might not agree with the rules and requirements of the WTO, but all the countries that are part of the WTO form the rules. You can’t blame CHINA for the rules and regulations that America and WTO have set fourth. China is playing buy the rules when it comes to WTO guidelines.

Further more all countries including USA apply heavy duties and taxes to many imported goods. The problems with these duties they become free government money and consumers never see the light of it. That also explains why some companies may pay less for China made goods, but when they import they get charged duty rates which bring the prices back up and you barely see the difference in price on a consumer level.

The amount of free money the government collects on duties paid upon goods entering the country could help explain why the government has sent so many jobs overseas. It benefits them by giving them more free loot on the import side of things.

Royjackson while my views could be useless, I still firmly feel these problems lie on us, we are foolish to blame the Asians or others for our problems.