Mahindra Now 4th Largest Tractor Seller in USA

[KKRUZZ3325]

if its the 4th largest,whoever is buying them sure isn't selling them!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
after i finally decided on a Hindra i waded thru a bunch of used Kioti's,kubota's,JD's and just about every other brand and i couldn't find anybody that wanted to sell their big red machines.
so i bought a new one and i now i know why nobody wants to sell them. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Rudy

 

[zekeman]

Muhammad,

In the 24 hrs since this tread was started, Rac, Kruzz3325, and dmltrac have posted on the Mahindra forum that they have just purchased a Mahindra Tractor. Figure I give you the info to help you make your decision.

Ron

 

[HayDR]

Most of the figures that SkyPup is stating are accurate. Worldwide Mahindra is making almost 100,000 tractors per year. Mahindra sales numbers are coming from full size tractors from 35-75 HP. This is mostly a compact tractor forum so the members here live in the world of 20-50 HP smaller size frame tractors. A 35-75 HP full size tractor has little use in a row crop area. These 35-75 HP tractors are being used in hay production, property maintenance, nurseries, groves and light industrial applications. If you have a 100 cow/calf operation then you will see Mahindra's being sold to these people. Before 2000 Mahindra was thought of as drawbar tractor with few features but they have increased the technology in their tractors exponentially. Most Mahindra tractors come fully loaded even with 1 or 2 sets of exterior hydraulic couplers. JD saw what Mahindra was doing and countered with the 5003, 6003 & 5005 series. These tractors usually do not have HST or powershift transmissions but really do not need them. Back in the 1970's the JD 40 series were king in this size and these tractors basically are patterned after the JD 40 series features.

Talking about Bill's Tractor. Bill was Mahindra in the USA before Mahindra had a corporate presence here in the USA. Bill has 5 or 6 locations. If each one of Bill's locations sell 150+ tractors a year then Bill can easily reach the said 900 tractors a year. The USA average # of tractors sold in a year for one location is 70-80 tractors. Most successful dealers sell 100-250 tractors a year from one location. JD is pushing its dealer owners to be multi-store operations in the 3-5 store concept. This stops much of the store competition if an owner owns most of the stores in a 250 mile radius area. You usually see uniform pricing among most JD dealerships. AGCO & NH-C/IH are doing the same as JD but are not as far along. Kubota now has started the same concept and is pushing dealers to be multi-store owners. Companies now manage the business on market share since we live in the information age. If a good market share can be kept by having one location then nothing is said but once the numbers fall and company will start to tweak the distribution first because that costs the company nothing. Changing feature and models of tractors is a big risk and cost to a manufacturer.

 

[Varmintmist]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I guess the thing that troubles me the most is that people are happy that Mahindra is moving up as a top company in the US. 1000's of jobs are leaving here for foreign countries. And it's not just Mahindra. Deere was celebrating that they were now opening a new combine factory in Brazil at the same time they are laying off workers in the US. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Up until now they've boasted how the combines and bigger tractors were all US made. Not anymore. I really wonder at what price all these cheaper products, Deere included, are going to cost us in the long run. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Who is going to be left that can afford to buy anything?
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I agree, and I would have preferred to buy American. Since in the CUT market, that is impossible, I chose to spend my money where I got more for the dollar.
I dont have the answer, but Mahindra becoming big in the US will bring more competition to the market. That is a good thing.
The assembly plants, will hire Americans, the tires we buy, the oil, filters, fluids, paint, accessories, will employ Americans. The truckers and dockworkers gotta eat to.

 

[johnsonauto]

<font color="blue">( I guess the thing that troubles me the most is that people are happy that Mahindra is moving up as a top company in the US. 1000's of jobs are leaving here for foreign countries. And it's not just Mahindra. Deere was celebrating that they were now opening a new combine factory in Brazil at the same time they are laying off workers in the US. Up until now they've boasted how the combines and bigger tractors were all US made. Not anymore. I really wonder at what price all these cheaper products, Deere included, are going to cost us in the long run. Who is going to be left that can afford to buy anything?
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Mahindra's are assembled here in the U.S. and expanding there facilities(just opend large parts warehouse), talk of another builing for assembly/warehouse, opening closer to the Northeast: more jobs.
Yes the tractors are not made here, but the loaders, backhoes, tires, wheels, roll bars, snow blowers, soft side cabs etc are. I know that many of the manufacturers have had to increase the facilities/employes to keep up with mahindra's growth. Also more truckers hauling them.
I will agree it is ashame that we make so few products now a days here in the U.S. . Along the rivers here in Connecticut they used to be lined with factories, everyone use to work for them, now they have either been abandoned or torn down.
In my opinion, at least the growth of Mahindra is creating more jobs here in the U.S. and that is not a bad thing.

Scott

 

[SkyPup]

The sad part of the equation is that India is the world's largest tractor market and the USA has zip to show for it since we are incapable of competing with them. Same in Japan, Germany, France, UK, Russia, China etc (india and China account for over 1/2 of the entire Earth's population). Yet they all do very well here competing for our own market? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[depratt_equip]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Mahindra's are assembled here in the U.S. and expanding there facilities(just opend large parts warehouse), talk of another builing for assembly/warehouse, opening closer to the Northeast: more jobs.
Yes the tractors are not made here, but the loaders, backhoes, tires, wheels, roll bars, snow blowers, soft side cabs etc are. I know that many of the manufacturers have had to increase the facilities/employes to keep up with mahindra's growth. Also more truckers hauling them.
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The same can be said about a lot of other brands too. A lot of it depends on what your definition of Assembled in the US means. If it means wheels/tires, steering wheel, fenders and other items then a lot of these tractors fall into that category, like Kioti for example. We (or Kioti if the dealer chooses) put on the wheels tires (from Titan Tire), some sheet metal (depending on models), ROPS (American made on most models), loaders (most American made) and other items so they would be assembled in the US, many other brands are also in this category, I use Kioti as a reference because its what I know most about. If it is gears, engines, transmission ect. then not many that I know of fall into this category (under 100HP) that im aware of. This category is what I would call truly assembled in the US, although both definitions create jobs ranging from dealer staff, company employees form parts/service support and assembly personal, to bookkeeping, and other misc staff. I guess my point here for people to stop and ask themselves to consider what does ”assembled in the US to mean to me”. What one persons definition is may be totally different to another.

 

[zekeman]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( So, do you guys think we should open separate Mahindra Buying/Pricing and Owning/Operating forums? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )</font>

Lets not loose track of The above question that was asked
by Muhammad, we can talk about "Made in US" later (I got caught up in that discussion myself responding to cowboydoc),
<font color="green">If you consider the fact that a lot of people consider Mahindra a second class tractor, getting a better forum is important- especially considering the SALE stats that have been posted </font>

Ron

 

[HayDR]

January 2005 sales figures just announced and 40-100 HP tractors are up 20.7% Is Mahindra on the move to the top?

 

[KKRUZZ3325]

Guys

as i understand it,most compacts are not made here in the USA. Yanmar had been producing JD'S compacts for years.
Mahindra's had been producing International Harvester also for a long time.

I looked into buying a New Holland tractor and the sales person actually told me that they only sell about 40 to 60 per year and they actually make their money selling parts and servicing them. This is from a dealer thats been in business for over 30 years with a fairly large lot. He also said their compacts are made in India and Korea.

Anyways i believe that Bills in San Antonio does sale a bunch cause in the last 3 years they have opened up 4 more lots all within a couple of hours drive time of each other.

as for U.S jobs,we have a Mahindra factory a few hours away from where i live. It's in Tomball tx near Houston tx.

thats my 2 cents...


Rudy