I'm putting networks in those two prison's - so I'll be out there more frequently in the near future. We'll have to hook up at some local greasy spoon - hopeully you guys know the good places. I found a local bagel shop out there that is already on my "must stop at" list /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Mahindra vrs JD
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Why call this thread "Mahindra vs. JD" if you don't want the opinions of JD owners?
If you want just Mahindra owners opinions how will you ever know how they compare to JD?
I just feel that name calling is uncalled for in these discussions.
My dad used to always say "fight nicely kids." /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
If you want just Mahindra owners opinions how will you ever know how they compare to JD?
I just feel that name calling is uncalled for in these discussions.
My dad used to always say "fight nicely kids." /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Everytime I've looked into either Mahindra or Kioti they have always been about what it would cost to buy a deere. )</font>
It must depend on area.
Because around here there are thousands $ differance in price.
It must depend on area.
Because around here there are thousands $ differance in price.
dieselsmoke1
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I suspect that's correct, as when I priced a comparable green piece to the one I bought the number I got was pretty doggone close to $20k.
I currently own a JD "M" circa 1953 with a full suite of attachments. I prize it highly as it ended my tour of walking behind behide "Maude" and "Belle" about 45 years ago.. I've nothing but the highest regards for green. Doesn't mean I'm blind to all others colors when shopping though.
I currently own a JD "M" circa 1953 with a full suite of attachments. I prize it highly as it ended my tour of walking behind behide "Maude" and "Belle" about 45 years ago.. I've nothing but the highest regards for green. Doesn't mean I'm blind to all others colors when shopping though.
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<font color="red"> especially his total loyalty only to that one brand.
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Bob I'm not totally loyal one bit. If I found another company that put out as good of equipment for the prices I buy it at and then back it up with service that is above and beyond I would switch in a heartbeat.
When I first got back into farming/ranching big time again I looked at everything. If I had found a better deal for the dollar I would have done it.
Charlie the only reason I got into this thread was because it said Mahindra vs. JD. I would think if this guy wanted a good comparison he would want to hear from both camps.
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Bob I'm not totally loyal one bit. If I found another company that put out as good of equipment for the prices I buy it at and then back it up with service that is above and beyond I would switch in a heartbeat.
When I first got back into farming/ranching big time again I looked at everything. If I had found a better deal for the dollar I would have done it.
Charlie the only reason I got into this thread was because it said Mahindra vs. JD. I would think if this guy wanted a good comparison he would want to hear from both camps.
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I just want to quickly point out that if you want Weight and FEL capacity, go by a ZETOR! They out weight just about every tractor out there.
I pointed this out in another thread, but I'll restate it again. The tier 2 and 3 brands may very well be good cost effective options in parts of the country where the Tier 1 brands are priced too high. Case in point, the Zetor national distribution center is about 20 miles away from me but there are no dealers around here because the Tier 1 brands are so competitive. In our market your not going to save a dime with a lesser brand. The few dollars that you might save up front will quickly be lost in resale value, lesser financing, parts support and implement availablity problems. Now before you all start seeing red and say you never have those problems just let me say that I reconize that. However as a dealer I get regular phone calls from people who do, it does happen. Just this week I had another guy loosing his shirt on a Mahindra on resale because he needed a bigger tractor, and another guy with an Iseki who could not find an FEL for the life of him. Add all this up and a competitively priced Tier 1 tractor is going to be the best value. Now if you can only get somthing thats being sold at list price, then we have a different story.
I pointed this out in another thread, but I'll restate it again. The tier 2 and 3 brands may very well be good cost effective options in parts of the country where the Tier 1 brands are priced too high. Case in point, the Zetor national distribution center is about 20 miles away from me but there are no dealers around here because the Tier 1 brands are so competitive. In our market your not going to save a dime with a lesser brand. The few dollars that you might save up front will quickly be lost in resale value, lesser financing, parts support and implement availablity problems. Now before you all start seeing red and say you never have those problems just let me say that I reconize that. However as a dealer I get regular phone calls from people who do, it does happen. Just this week I had another guy loosing his shirt on a Mahindra on resale because he needed a bigger tractor, and another guy with an Iseki who could not find an FEL for the life of him. Add all this up and a competitively priced Tier 1 tractor is going to be the best value. Now if you can only get somthing thats being sold at list price, then we have a different story.
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cowboydoc, I stand corrected.
However, to some of us, some of your posts are very one sided, I will say, that in this thread, I do think you were very objective about the capabilities of comparable JD equipment. In other threads, perhaps not so objective, or at least they don't seem objective. And I think that is a fair statement.
However, to some of us, some of your posts are very one sided, I will say, that in this thread, I do think you were very objective about the capabilities of comparable JD equipment. In other threads, perhaps not so objective, or at least they don't seem objective. And I think that is a fair statement.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Now for the landscaper type market, I see a lot of the Deere 790, TC30, Kubota B7800 type units out there. Those I would presume would be put up against the LK Kioti or the 2310/2810 etc Mahindras?
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Bob ... as is usually the case, a direct apples to apples is NEVER really possible. A comarison between Kubota and Mahindra is yet another example. The products DO however line up close enough for sensible comparison. That being said ...
The best comparisons:
Kubota B7800 HST or TC 30 = Mahindra 2615 HST or 3015 HST Note that the Mahindra's mentioned above are NOT economy versions of other models.
Deere 790 doesn't come in HST does it? Therefore the JD 790 and the Mahindra 2610 might be the best comparison. Note an inherent confusion in the Mahindra line, namely, the 2810. This machine, with available HST is really a Kubota 3010/3130 class as far as chassis size and weight go.
Also know that for whatever it's worth, the Mahindra is Tier 2 in the USA. It's Tier 1 in Europe and Asia as they have been building construction equipment for over 60 years. Interestingly, the were also awarded the US gov. contract during WWII to build the Willy's Jeeps and other military vehicles. Their utility class 2wd ag machines are extraordinarily popular in other global markets (throwback appearances notwithstanding).
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Bob ... as is usually the case, a direct apples to apples is NEVER really possible. A comarison between Kubota and Mahindra is yet another example. The products DO however line up close enough for sensible comparison. That being said ...
The best comparisons:
Kubota B7800 HST or TC 30 = Mahindra 2615 HST or 3015 HST Note that the Mahindra's mentioned above are NOT economy versions of other models.
Deere 790 doesn't come in HST does it? Therefore the JD 790 and the Mahindra 2610 might be the best comparison. Note an inherent confusion in the Mahindra line, namely, the 2810. This machine, with available HST is really a Kubota 3010/3130 class as far as chassis size and weight go.
Also know that for whatever it's worth, the Mahindra is Tier 2 in the USA. It's Tier 1 in Europe and Asia as they have been building construction equipment for over 60 years. Interestingly, the were also awarded the US gov. contract during WWII to build the Willy's Jeeps and other military vehicles. Their utility class 2wd ag machines are extraordinarily popular in other global markets (throwback appearances notwithstanding).
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Bob,
If you got the lowest price of any other tractor out there, Mahindra and Kioit included, got service above and beyond your expectations, had never been down even with a major problem for more than 4 hours, had phone calls returned within an hour or questions answered immediately, had your dealer arrange meetings with deere corporate for problems unresolved within a week, and treated you with the utmost respect would you not be pretty high on that company as well?? I am very picky and I'm probably the biggest miser you will ever meet. If I thought for one minute that another company could match what deere has done for me I would sell every green piece of equipment I had and buy it.
If you got the lowest price of any other tractor out there, Mahindra and Kioit included, got service above and beyond your expectations, had never been down even with a major problem for more than 4 hours, had phone calls returned within an hour or questions answered immediately, had your dealer arrange meetings with deere corporate for problems unresolved within a week, and treated you with the utmost respect would you not be pretty high on that company as well?? I am very picky and I'm probably the biggest miser you will ever meet. If I thought for one minute that another company could match what deere has done for me I would sell every green piece of equipment I had and buy it.
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Doug, I was trying to compare NON-HST base style machines to other NON-HST base style machines.
Regarding all the gobbly-gook about Willy's Jeeps, Mahindra being tier 1 in the world but tier 2 here, let me just add that John Deere, while growing internationally, is pretty much tier 2 in South America, China and numerous other parts of the globe. I guess what I am saying is I don't give a rat's pitootie about somewhere else, I care about here, because here is what our reality is with regards to parts, service, models, etc.
Let me put it another way. Alfa-Romeo makes a few great sports cars, they are tier 1 in the sporty compact market in much of the globe. Can't even get them here today. So what good is it to me that all over the EU they are a hot ticket to a fun & fast ride?
What someone (Mahindra) does somewhere else doesn't mean that is how they are percieved here. And what someone does here (J.D.) does not mean that is how they are percieved elsewhere on the globe. How you "perform" for me here, today, is what I care about. And I think "perform" is defined as price, service, support, parts, and the actual raw performance of the machine itself in the real world. In some markets, some machines perform really well on that criteria, in other markets they don't.
Regarding all the gobbly-gook about Willy's Jeeps, Mahindra being tier 1 in the world but tier 2 here, let me just add that John Deere, while growing internationally, is pretty much tier 2 in South America, China and numerous other parts of the globe. I guess what I am saying is I don't give a rat's pitootie about somewhere else, I care about here, because here is what our reality is with regards to parts, service, models, etc.
Let me put it another way. Alfa-Romeo makes a few great sports cars, they are tier 1 in the sporty compact market in much of the globe. Can't even get them here today. So what good is it to me that all over the EU they are a hot ticket to a fun & fast ride?
What someone (Mahindra) does somewhere else doesn't mean that is how they are percieved here. And what someone does here (J.D.) does not mean that is how they are percieved elsewhere on the globe. How you "perform" for me here, today, is what I care about. And I think "perform" is defined as price, service, support, parts, and the actual raw performance of the machine itself in the real world. In some markets, some machines perform really well on that criteria, in other markets they don't.
