Mahindra vrs JD

   / Mahindra vrs JD #11  
Joey, I think most people who move to land buy (or at least look at buying) a tractor sized for their construction jobs and tend to disregard the future maintainence jobs.

The reality is you will spend a couple years CONSTRUCTING your landscape, but you will likely spend a decade or more MAINTAINING your landscape. That obviously does not apply to people who buy tractors to be used for farming, logging, etc. But for the homeowner with a few to a couple dozen acres who is building their dream home and fixing up the property as their own mini-estate, then you really need to ask yourself if some of the other features come into play. Mowing with a big tractor on a small property that is landscaped could be a pain, so is the FEL easy to remove and install? You'd probably want to pull the FEL every time you mow with a big tractor. Do you have low spots that will be mowed? A heavy tractor will leave ruts, so maybe going to a smaller size/lesser HP machine might lighten the weight enough and STILL give you 90% of the capabilities of a larger unit?

Just for reference, my TC24D is about 18" shorter (from the 3pt to the front of the bucket) than the B2910, it is 6hp less than the B2910, but the FEL probably gives me 80+% of the capacity of the bigger machine. It turns much tigher and the ROPS is about 10" lower so it fits through the woodland paths that I cut when the B2910 does not fit. I'm not pushing either brand, just giving you some examples.

Ask youself what you are really going to do. If you plan on living on your property for 12 years, and the first 2 years are building landscaping, the remaining 10 will be maintaining. Buy a tractor that will fill both needs. Generally I believe (JMHO) that a slightly smaller tractor is often a better choice. If you are not using a lot of ground engaging equipment, then a lighter tractor is very probably better in the long run. Size is relative. For one person a 33hp unit might be "small" for another a 21hp might be just right. But think LONG TERM and it might take a little longer to build something, but in the long run it might be a lot less time consuming to maintain.

Now all that said, if you are just going to plop a house on an open field, then buy a big honkin tractor and pull the biggest deck you can find. That will get the job done well and fast. If your wife starts talking about kidney shaped landscaping pods, birdbaths, and trails, then you can forget your dreams of mowing with a 15' batwing deck and focus on a 60" unit behind a small frame tractor.
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD
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#12  
Ranchman,

I understand your point as it was intended. I hope no one was offended because this sort of dialogue is very educational for me.

Joey
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #13  
No problem. Just trying to help too. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Glad you are finding the discussion useful.
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Ranchman,

I understand your point as it was intended. I hope no one was offended because this sort of dialogue is very educational for me.

Joey )</font>

Joey, I also understood the point, I was not offended, and I did not mean to offend. But I did disagree with much of the post, I did not bash any brand, nor did I try to support any brand, I just pointed things out. And I am blunt, something that is fairly obvious in many of my posts. But I do stand by what I wrote.

By the way, I think it would be helpful to us all if you could give even MORE detail as to your tractoring plans. Because I am not sure if you are looking at a big enough machine. Like I wrote, size is relative. For your size property, 33hp would not be too big, but it really depends on your uses.
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #15  
Contrary to Bob's statement, I still question whether he "got" the crux of my initial post. Suffice to say, I have found numerous recommendations he has made in his follow up posts that I disagree with. Again, he and I are conversing via PM in order to keep this thread "nice."
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #16  
I bought a Mahindra 2810HST with a 3375 hoe last year.

I have been very happy with it and I spent a lot of time looking at all the brands. It was very difficult because they all have features that make them all good tractors.

I went with the 2810HST because of the ground clearance with the Hoe on.
The clearance is great for rough areas and love the HST.

I can load trucks and move dirt without taking my hands off the steering wheel or the FEL control.

They have come out with a 3510HST . It is the same tractor as the 2810HST with a little more power.

I have ordered a Kioti DK40 for the local ATV club . It should be here in about 2 weeks, but it doesn't have HST


Good luck on what you deside.

Dave in NH

2810HST
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #17  
shambam...... Bob and Ranchman have made some very good points. I think across the board... based on my apples to apples comparisons between JD & Mahindra.... savings would be somewhere between $1500 - $3000, winner Mahindra. I think most people ask this question because they want to make a well informed decision on a major purchase, and are not looking to sell or trade anytime soon. This goes hand in hand with Bob's reasoning about resale value, tractors lasting 20 years etc. Mahindra has been around for many years dating back to the 50s, they actually built the Willys Jeep used during war time, are the largest tractor manufacturer in India and as pointed out, are making quite an established presence here in the states. The statement that some people make about the dealerships being around amuses me because around here, the Mahindra Dealerships are also the ones that sell Massey Ferguson and other makes, and have been around for years. They may drop the Mahindra line, but around here dealerships drop other lines too.... just go to another dealership. I do put a lot of emphasis on the dealership relationship... I own a MF135 diesel and detest dealing with the closest dealership as they have no concept of customer service. Based on what your intended use is, I would consider the Mahindra 4500 4WD with FEL and backhoe, get a 6' bush hog and a garden tractor. I don't think you will be having a 20 acre grass area that needs a finish mower. IMHO...good luck and keep us posted.
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( shambam...... Bob and Ranchman have made some very good points. I think across the board... based on my apples to apples comparisons between JD & Mahindra.... savings would be somewhere between $1500 - $3000, winner Mahindra. )</font>

I know you guys like to ignore resale value, but I just wanted to point out that after three years a big 3 brand will have retained enough resale value that an off brand would have lost to all but negate that price difference. For me, I would need at least 4-5000 in savings to really see Mahindra as an option.
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #19  
4a) "Big 3" owners are going to point to a "higher resale value" of their tractor compared to a Mahindra.

4b) Mahindra owners will point out they spent less for their tractor up front, hence it only makes sense to get less for it at resale. Additionally, Mahindra owners will say that they don't plan on "trading in" their tractor but utilize it long term, so why bother with resale.
 
   / Mahindra vrs JD #20  
Joey,

Size does matter when it comes to tractors.

That being said, I chose the Mahindra 3510 over the 4110 because the 3510 has smaller front wheels (good for mowing and turning), yet is built on the same frame as the 4110 (pretty strong and should hold up)

I had to give up a little hp (very little, considering the extra power needed to turn the larger front wheels of the 4110).

If most of our use was field work, probably would've gone with the 4110- whatever is right for you.

We also are making some major changes here at the farm, but then wish to do regular maintenance work with the tractor. (a few weeks leveling and replanting a lawn, some driveway, drains, etc for 1-3 years, then mowing about every week for the next 20 years) We got a 3ph finish mower, making it easier to rationalize..er, justify the purchase of a new tractor /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Someone else got it right- consider the 80% you wish to use the tractor over the next 10-20 years and size it for that. Borrow or rent for the special tasks that you may only do once or twice.

Hope our experience helps you see and consider your options.

Overall, I think all the posters in this thread have been very fair.

Good luck.

-JC
 

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