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   / mahindra #41  
Hey Cowboy, I laughed out loud!!! Great posts!! You must be guy that Mahindra hired to keep this thread going. It's working. Fortunately for all the Mahindra dealers lurking here, they're thinkin' "Boy, the folks will be here this weekend to look! And once there here, We've got em!!!" Cowboy: Keep up the good work! BobG in VA
 
   / mahindra #42  
And to think - when this thread started, I thought it was in the wrong forum, since it was obviously brand specific!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

And the original poster may never ask another question! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / mahindra #43  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As far as price I could walk into my dealer today and walk out with a 4110 4wd, hydrostat with mmm for $12,551. Seems to me you paid $2500 too much for your Mahindra. )</font>
You could at least read my post or are just being thich headed? You can go to no JD dealer and get a 26hp, 4110, with a 72in MMM and a FEL for $12,551. The chances of you getting a 4110 (20hp) with a 62in MMM and a FEL is slim and none. I was comparing my tractor to a far less capable tractor that was the same price. My tractor is in compatition with the JD4210. Do you think you can get a 4210, FEL, R4s and a 72in MMM for $2500 less than I got my tractor for (by the way I payed $14,700). You will play hell finding it for less than $17,000.

As I said before JD does not sell tractors in the same class as the smaller Mahindra's. The 20 hp JD4110 is not in the same class as the 20hp Mahindra 2015. A look at the specs will show you the Mahindra is ment for work, the JD for homeowners.

By the way, I not only 'keep myself informed' I own a Mahindra and I am president of a company that own JDs. After comparing the 2 I bought Mahindra. After owning and using both the Mahandra wins. No 'farm show' jocky here.
 
   / mahindra #44  
"You will have a hard time finding a JD4110 similarly equiped for that price much less its JD equivelent, the 4210."

These were your words Charlie. I looked it up and my price on a 4110 equipped like you said with MMM would be $12,551.

For a 4210 I could get one equipped the same way for $16,324. The 4210 is 28hp, Mahindra 26 hp. So yes on that basis you paid about $1600 less. Yes I agree with you on price about the 4210 being more.

Just one question though. Why is it you can say that Mahindra is better than JD and that's just great. But anytime anyone says JD is better or any of these other tractors like Kioti, Mahindra, etc. are inferior all heck breaks loose. JD, NH, Kubota, etc are regularly criticized by you guys that own these other tractors and that just goes by like yesterdays news. But as soon as anyone says the same things about the, in my opinion, lesser tractors it's a cardinal sin.
 
   / mahindra #45  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Why is it you can say that Mahindra is better than JD and that's just great. )</font>

Don't recall anyone claiming Mahindra was better than John Deere.
But I do see you continually claiming Mahindra and others are inferior.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But anytime anyone says JD is better or any of these other tractors like Kioti, Mahindra, etc. are inferior all heck breaks loose. )</font>

It may have something to do with you claiming that John Deere is so superior in fit and finish and quality so often !!
I replaced my John Deere with what you consider an inferior tractor. After 2 years of ownership I have to ask INFERIOR WHERE ??? Because I don't see it !!
 
   / mahindra #47  
There are many people on this particular site that know alot about Mahindra tractors. You might want to post this question in the "Mahindra" forum. Probably get a good amount of information there.
 
   / mahindra #48  
Shibaura, Yanmar, Iseki, Kubota, Kioti, Kukje, Mitsubishi, TYM, etc (I know I missed a bunch) are manufacturers. JD, MF, NH, and Cub do not make CUTs (some of the Cubs are Kiotis /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif). I'm sure their marketing folks have some input, but I doubt they do much design. CUTs are farm tractors in the rest of the world, where large tractors are probably too big and expensive for most. There is nothing high tech in a CUT, just ordinary mechanisms that were perfected years ago, and that any one of these companies can handle. Most of these manufacturers have made a lot of units over many years - I would love to see world wide production numbers of CUT-sized tractors only. When one of these companies decides to market in the US (or any new market), it takes a little while to establish a dealer network and figure out what mix of features is needed, and to accomodate anything that might be different - things like the ROPS & safety features, and that US customers are using them as mowers and with TLB setups. And they'll have to offer a price break untill they get established or they will fail. There will be exceptions here and there, but overall I think it is clear that a Zetor or Kioti or Mahindra is still less expensive. It couldn't work otherwise.

In terms of world wide CUT sales, I'd bet the Big 3 is really more like the Big 10. I have no doubt that any of the CUT manufacturers that have been in the game for a long time could make an equal quality tractor, and no doubt that each can make a dud. That goes for the green Yanmars and blue Shibauras and red Isekis too. The biggest difference is going to be in the dealer & support & service end of the buisness.

I bought a Kioti LK3054. It is old style and somewhat crude compared to the latest designs (from everyone), but it is very well made. And for my purposes it eats the "Big 3" unit I was comparing it too alive, and for the same price. Could another "Big 3" dealer have gotten closer? Maybe, but I doubt close enough. Are the gears properly heat treated? Did they use good bearings and seals? Did they put it together carefully? Beats me, only time will tell, just like with your Yanmars. I do know that it showed less signs of cost cutting on the external parts compared to some others I looked at.

I browse the other pages for the other brands, and I see the kinds of things people have trouble with, and they are all the kinds of design and assembly problems you would expect - there ain't no magic here. Mostly, people seem to be very happy with their brand (maybe to a fault!), and what seems to steam them up the most is when they can't get support. Some folks feel more comfortable buying name brand, even if it is more expensive, and they feel they are getting something of worth in return. If it makes you happy to think that your green Yanmar is of higher quality than my Kioti, feel free. Personally, I've crawled all over the Kioti, and find it to be VERY well made, just as I would expect from a company with lots of experience, and I'm happy to keep the change.
 
   / mahindra #49  
I agree with Vince on this one...Cowboydoc often mentions the superiority of JD over the competition in terms of fit, finish, quality, etc. but I've yet to see the proof. When Doug/DAP has pressed for specific examples, all we get back is "Come to an ag show with me and I'll show you" or "I get privileged information that is too confidential for the average tractor owner to know about" instead of specifics as to why the quality of a JD is so much better.

Having owned an old JD (64 model 2010) and 90s and up Belarus, Yanmar and Kioti, I can easily say that the 64 JD was the worst of the bunch. Of course it is faced with a 30-40 year old handicap against the other contestants, but I would rate the 65 Ford 5000 (with Select-o-speed, no less) above the JD and Belarus (a 92 model) but well below the Yanmar and Kioti. Obviously, a newer JD (either Yanmar or "domestic" version) would compare quite favorably with the Yanmar and Kioti, which I feel are second to none quality and fit and finish wise.

I was at a small ag show back in the winter and saw JDs, Kubotas, Kiotis, Challengers, Mahindras, Century, Zetor (oddly, no New Holland) and Case (so I guess CNH was represented). There was so little difference in apparent quality among all of the tractors. If the show could be held in a vaccuum, with no one knowing which tractors are the Big 3 and which ones are off brand, I bet it would be hard to tell.

Of course, the tractor as it sits only tells half the story. The dealers/dealer network/parts support is the other half, and surely JD is the best at that. However, the JD dealerships in my area are a bunch of buttmunches for the most part; go in for parts and they ask why don't you just buy a new one (funny, but they are serious about it). My Kioti dealer has always offered top notch unquestioned service. If I wasn't near a Kioti dealer, or had a bad experience, I almost certainly would have gone with Mahindra - they looked like great tractors. My neighbor has one (4500 2wd) and loves it).

In conclusion to my rant, I'm not sure why Cowboydoc feels it is so important to consistently blare the fantastic attributes of the superior John Deere product and then be surprised when others argue his unsubstantiated points...but hey, it is a free country.
 
   / mahindra #50  
This thread is the A #1 reason why TBN drives me nuts. Can't people accept that no tractor is perfect? Mahindra has its faults, Kioti has their faults, and so does every other company. Its impossible to be critical without starting a brand war. Do the big boys have less faults... they should, they have way more money to throw at these things. These forums would be much more useful if people where not so protective of their equipment, and that goes for everyone.
 
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