Mahindra's lift ratings...

[Bob_Skurka]

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<font color="green"> Can we find out what Mahindra rates their 3pt hitch at 24" behind lift point and their bucket at center?
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Perhaps someone can, but I can't.

I found some competitive sites that posted numbers, not 100% sure that you can trust a competitor's website!!!

On the other hand, the calculated numbers are probably close, but only estimates based on calculations made by using posted data from several brands and the 30% number is right about what other brands show. It simply seems logical that it would probably apply to most all brands simply because it was consistent across several brands.

Now none of this is implying that the Mahindra tractors are of inferior quality, in my mind, at the most it is a possible condemnation of any company that allows their marketing departments to make claims that while they are "technically accurate" they are simultaneously misleading to consumers who don't dig into data with the same ferocity that I do.

 

[JerryG]

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<font color="blue"> Like I wrote, I actually give M-F some bonus points for some of the numbers they do make available. </font>
I know you did Bob. I was just showing that MF was doing some of the same thing as JD with placing different spec on different tractors and sometimes in different place. MF's deceptive marketing appears to be directed more toward the normal consumer market vs the agriculture market. It would be nice if the trend of deceiving the customer would stop, but as long as the marketing types are in charge, I don't think that it will. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Tim_in_IA]

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since the specs on the lift eyes are known I would imagine that this is a simple function of leverage for any 3 point tractor. If the massey site was kind enough to list both ratings, just use a simple ratio and cross-reference the mahindra numbers to the massey numbers. It is probably the same for any 3pt implement at 24". Regardless, if a manufacturer gives you a measurment and tells you where it's at, it's not really false adertising is it? You are empowered to translate that into whatever measurement you desire.

I would also tend to believe that it might not be accurrate to speculate on what a given implement can weigh at a certain distance from the eyes, not knowing the limitation of the implement. What if you were using a whimpy carry-all, and a manufacturer said your tractor could lift a certain weight at a certain distance, but the implement did not support it? Maybe Mahindra is protecting themselves from liability here? Who knows.

What I can tell you is that I wont be worrying about what my 6500 can lift anytime soon. I've picked up a pallet of pavers no problem and it didn't even flinch. (the pallet made some funny noises though /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ).

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

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The problem here is that folks are being deceived into thinking their tractors perform beyond what they do. Correct me if I am wrong, but Sonny here seemed to think that his new Mahindra lifted over 1000lbs more than some other models he was comparing it with. Infact, it lifts a 200-300lbs less. The problem here is that 98% of the average consumers only notice the numbers, and not pivot-pin or bucket center. In my opinion its false advertising because unless your hooking a chain and lifting from the pin there is no other circumstance where that specification is good for anything. If you'll accept a pivot ratting, why not take it from 12" off the ground too? That should give another 30% bump.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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Neil, from what I can tell from some of Sonnie's other posts, he was led to believe that he had more capacity than he has, however I know from conversations with him that FEL capacity was not a big deal for him, so he has what he needs. Which is good.

But this same topic has come up a few other times, and each time people are amazed that the lift capacities of the 3pts and the FELs are being manipulated by the marketing departments. And while Sonnie started this in another forum and then brought it into this one, the reality is that several tractor companies do this very same thing so there is nobody here who is just pointing out one brand, it just happens that we are discussing this about Mahindra because Sonnie asked. But as JerryG pointed out, Massey does does it with their 3pt numbers on their small tractors. If you look at my other posts, it is obvious that Kioti does it with their FEL numbers. Deere is sporatic, but they do it with some of their numbers. Other companies do it too. Only Case/New Holland and Kubota don't seem to embrace the concept.

But you are absolutely correct that people don't have a clue what their capacity is and how they are manipulated.

What I think is great about this thread is that everyone is being objective and nobody is bashing any brand. It's nice to see that TBN can get back to objective discussions without people getting their undies in a bunch!

 

[Dargo]

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( without people getting their undies in a bunch! )</font>

Hey, my undies are all in a bunch! It's over a different matter, but still... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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<font color="blue">( without people getting their undies in a bunch! )

Hey, my undies are all in a bunch! It's over a different matter, but still... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
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Waaayyyy more information than I needed to know!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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[JerryG]

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This isn't to any one person. If you think about it I am not sure that the ratings for the three point is good for anything except to get you into the general ball park of what you need to lift. The reason being is the if you change the hole where the lift attaches to the lower arms, you are changing the lift capacity a great deal even though you are also changing the lift and lowering distance. Thoughts anyone?

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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<font color="blue"> The reason being is the if you change the hole where the lift attaches to the lower arms, you are changing the lift capacity a great deal even though you are also changing the lift and lowering distance. Thoughts anyone? </font>


Jerry, I'm not sure that I buy that concept. IF true, and IF you have a hydraulic side link, and IF you retracted the side link on one side, then would that change the capacity on that side but leave it the same on the other side? I think not.

So if the links were held at the low points and then moved up 1 or 2 holes, why would the capacity change?

Or do I simply not understand what you wrote?

 

[JerryG]

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Let's make sure that we a talking about the same thing here. The pins that I am speaking about are at the end of the bar coming down from the rockshaft to the lift arms. Some have multiple holes in the rod going down to change the range of lift for the lift arms and the there are multiple holes on the lift arm its self. By changing where the rod attaches on the lift arm, it changes the leverage that the rockshaft has on the lift arm. This changes the amount of weight that the lift will lift.