Maintenance myths

   / Maintenance myths #41  
Last year I bought a one owner 2000 Buick Century with 80K miles on it. It was in very good condition but the water pump went out. My mechanic replaced the water pump and needless to say the coolant in that engine looked like crap. Those 3.4L Buick engines are known for bad lower intake manifold gaskets. Regular maintenance includes periodic coolant flushing. We've run diesels here on the farm for years and as a rule of thumb we've always kept the additives up to date on the coolant and flush out every five years. Never had an issue with cavitation.
 
   / Maintenance myths #43  
Me Too!

I gotta hear this reasoning.:laughing:

Well apparently it gets on your clothes and costs you money. Some things that the grease does not go back out into the air could fill up with grease. But greasing them wheel spindles looks to me like overgreasing might cause a mess, but if you wipe off the old grease each time, (which I do) I don't see how that would be much of a problem if I greased it every hour on the hour.
 
   / Maintenance myths #44  
I bought a new Scag Tiger Cat II, there are plugs where the grease fittings go in the wheel casters, fittings everywhere else, dealer told me Scag removed them because people were breaking them off.

When I install mine for the next greasing they'll stay there.

Not sure why they didn't install them on the backside of the spindle, or even the top if breaking was the problem.
 
   / Maintenance myths #45  
I bought a new Scag Tiger Cat II, there are plugs where the grease fittings go in the wheel casters, fittings everywhere else, dealer told me Scag removed them because people were breaking them off.

When I install mine for the next greasing they'll stay there.

Not sure why they didn't install them on the backside of the spindle, or even the top if breaking was the problem.

Sounds like the engineer could have used a dose of "real world".
 
   / Maintenance myths #46  
Just because one person got by 19 years without changing coolant doesn't mean the next person will. That is the same with a lot of the maintenance items. I was surprised, however, after retiring from Caterpillar early and taking up farming at how frequent the service intervals are. Construction equipment users will not tolerate that, at least not Cat's customers. An example is hydraulic oil - with my last machine series I was able to increase hydraulic oil change from 1,000 hours to 2,000 hours, 4,000 hours if testing the oil at 1,000 hour intervals. Engine oil - 250 hours wasn't good enough so with filter improvements, improved oils, and a slight crankcase increase we got that up to 500 hours. Coolant, everything leaves the factory with ELC, extended life coolant good for 5 years. What is so different? I do know that at Cat we filter our hydraulic oil to a cleanliness much better than that of my Kubotas. But one unexplained item is that now Cat uses Kubota engines and uses Cat's oil change interval instead of Kubota's. Surely the same engine in a Kubota compact track loader can't see all that much higher duty cycle than it does in a Caterpillar compact track loader.

But then again realize that service intervals are educated best guesses. When a machine is released for production none of the test machines have ever run to the end of life. At Caterpillar every machine worked on by a dealer, in or out of warranty, is logged into the system giving a tremendous amount of data with which to work, and we have tools to analyze all that data.

As for my largest Kubota tractor, fluids have been changed by the book and samples go to the Cat dealer whose system keeps track by serial number even though it is not Cat. All samples have come in green with the comment that no wear metals above usual found, continue to service at recommended intervals. That is boiler plate for they're covering their *** not saying I should extend intervals but nothing is wearing, it's barely broke in.
 
   / Maintenance myths #47  
I guess I will have to go to church and bring this up during confession, for I have sinned

May the vehicle gods forgive me and the moneys I have saved I will contribute to the church

That should make it ok
 
   / Maintenance myths #48  
Just to be clear - referring to a
WET sleeved diesel engine correct?

DRY sleeved diesels are supposedly about the same as a parent bore design, as far as coolant cavitation damage risk.
I have heard dry sleeved engines may not cool as well as a Wet sleeve design though. Of course this wouldn't help the water pump damage shown do to worn out/ depleted / or incorrect coolant.

True...I should have been more specific and said wet sleeved engines.
 
   / Maintenance myths #49  
I have to admit that I might slip a few year on changing of coolant. With 5 years lifetime, it sometimes sneaks up on you that it has been more than that time since changing. Many times I look at the coolant color and if not discolored, I may let it slip for some time. I cant believe anyone can go 19 years without changing the coolant and it still be good, likely it is rusty as all get out by the time it hits 7-10 years if it had 5 year coolant.
I just had the coolant changed on my 2007 truck for the first time even though it was still pristine in appearance. Also had the coolant changed in wife's 2003 for the second time (first time was when water pump bearings failed in 2007) as it hit 100K miles. It should be good for the life of the car now (up to 2021).
As for greasing bearings, too much grease can make the bearings overheat plus cause them to be harder to turn thus robbing power from your engine. I have seen this confirmed on large industrial electric motors due to excess amp draw but it is not easily determined on internal combustion engines. I too am guilty of over greasing lawnmower bearings due to not being able to see if grease is coming out like it does on wheels etc. so I pump about 10 shots in each bearing about every 20 hours on the clock (about twice a year) and hope it is good.
 
   / Maintenance myths #50  
Some equipment like bakers and mowers that get a lot of chaff you don't want too much grease. Then it attracts junk in the bearing areas and maybe they run a little hotter. If you can see and reach the squeeze-out to wipe it up I'd favor more than not-enough myself.
Jim
 
   / Maintenance myths #51  
New filter "specs" is proprietary information (all colors/brands do this). All that the aftermarket can do is cut apart and attempt to reverse engineer. So that it fits the application but does not necc do the same thing. Probably overkill for lower priced machines like l&g, but buyer beware there is some junk out there in the aftermarket world and unless it is a filter that has been around for many years the aftermarkets DO NOT have specs for any brand of oem filters. I know, someone will say that this oem has filters built by this company, etc. But the last thing that filter company wants to do is tick off the oem, get sued, lose a lot of money and a customer. IMAO

Greetings Morrison,

My own personal experiences don't agree with the idea you expressed of how aftermarket filter manufacturer's operate on tractor parts. I'll use an example of just this week. My Massey Gc1700 series parts are all branded under the parent company name of Agco. I had recently purchased a couple Wix compatible oil filters but was unable to get a hydro filter and hadn't even considered a fuel filter. So recently I was at an.open house at my Massey dealer and they had a parts sale so I got a fuel filter, another oil filter, and a hydro filter. All AGco product.

I took those boxed items to two different auto parts stores who each contacted their helpndesks with the actual agco part numbers. Here is what I was told.

"No problem getting their brand of compatible oil filter and fuel filter, because Agco had released the oem specifications and measurements a couple years ago. But the hydro filter we can't provide because AGCO as yet has not released the specifications andvrequirements for that hydro filter item. When they do . . We will be able to have an alternate choice."

The filter business appears to operate much today like the pharma industry. Their products are their engineered specs and filtration requirements in order for the existence of generics to be safe. Similarly the manufacturers of equipment have filters built for them by a filter company . . . but they don't have the patent protections that drugs do. So manufacturers release the same specs to 3rd party filter asdociation membets willingly at given times. The specs and requirements are the same as when the manufacturer gives to the company that makes filters for their own branding as the manufacturer. The manufacturer may require certain methods or components used to attain the specs with their own filters . . Where the 3rd party makers are free to use their own methods or material choices as long as all the sizes and filtration flows and numbers and bypass processes are the same.

The only variation I know of today . . . is filter suppliers that don't belong to the National Asdiciation or pay no fees. But that's been my experience. Many tests done over the years on oil filters show some remarkable differences in how makers achieve those specs and requirements but then many brands are really made by a hand full of actual manufacturers and sold under many names. My favorites personally are wix and purolator for many vehicle choices . . Without paying lavish prices for premium filters.

Here's the funny part of the story. Dealer pricing varies a great deal on parts as each dealer chooses their markup factors. Both the oil filter and fuel filters I bought from the dealer on their parts sale were cheaper than either parts supply chains I checked lol. In fact a fair amount cheaper percentage wise.

I'm sure all dealers vary on thst situation.
 
   / Maintenance myths #52  
My owners manual calls for flushing the cooling system every 2 years or 2000 hours. But after owning it for 3 years it has only 275 hours on it. Maybe I'll flush it next year if i don't forget.
 
   / Maintenance myths #53  
I am rather bad on the coolant as well. I change it out ever 5 years when I do the belts and radiator hoses.
 
   / Maintenance myths #54  
You're supposed to change coolant out?
 
   / Maintenance myths #58  
I am rather bad on the coolant as well. I change it out ever 5 years when I do the belts and radiator hoses.
You're supposed to change belts or hoses before they break?
 
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   / Maintenance myths #59  
All this talk about coolant reminds me of my auto shop class in High school back in the early 80s. We had attachments for flushing the water out, and tests we took on the coolant. Over the years, I just forgot all about that and haven't changed the water ever since unless I blow a hose or the radiator. I do that often enough on my tractors that I'm probably right on schedule. I just took out the radiator on my backhoe last month because a very aggressive branch found it way through my screen and put a pin hole through it. Nothing like clearing land to tear stuff up!!!
 

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