Manual vs Hydro Transmissions

[Soundguy]

On second though.. I've changed my mind.. i take it all back.

Since a few of you seem to be agravated about discussing the different trans... and different uses, in different situations.. I concede. gear trans never should have been built.. they obviously have no place or purpose, and are obviously inferior in every way to any other type of power transmission scheme..... and the industry should have started with HST back when the mule teams were put up.

I'm bowing out of this one now... ( I don't mind discussing or debating.. however.. I've no time to argue on a hobby board.. )

thanks

Soundguy

 

[Egon]

If'n my memory can correctly recall when a quick stop was required on a geared tractor with no ground engaging equipment in the ground One's first reaction was twofold, the left foot hit the clutch, the right foot hit the brakes and both hands were used for steering! Throttle never much came to mind till all was stopped and settled down.

Go back a little farther and the left hand was reaching for the clutch, the right foot was standing on the brakes and the right hand was on the steering wheel. A fellow stood up on many of these tractors as sitting got uncomfortable after 10 or so hours.

Nobody ever stalled out the engine cause then you had to get off and crank the darned thing or start the pup or put in the starter shell. Waste off time as well as hard on the wrist.

Many of us Hobby farmers like HST. I would guess farmers involved in agriculture like gears??

What do you grow Soundguy??

 

[JerryG]

Chris,
Thank goodness. It's about time that you conceded. You know very well that a gear tractor is to hard to operate and that there is NO gear tractor save the old rock crusher model. After all, given the high number of hours of operation that these hydro models are put through a year, it makes all the difference.

 

[BTDT]

What do you grow Soundguy??


If he's like me he grows: weary, tired, aggravated, etc.

 

[john_bud]

On second though.. I've changed my mind.. i take it all back.

Since a few of you seem to be agravated about discussing the different trans... and different uses, in different situations.. I concede. gear trans never should have been built.. they obviously have no place or purpose, and are obviously inferior in every way to any other type of power transmission scheme..... and the industry should have started with HST back when the mule teams were put up.

I'm bowing out of this one now... ( I don't mind discussing or debating.. however.. I've no time to argue on a hobby board.. )

thanks

Soundguy

Golly, It looked like you wrote three messages back to back -- getting hotter and hotter after each one. I don't think any one assaulted you, or your (to me at least) valuable opinion. No need to get hot about a board. Just laugh and remember that most of the folks with HST tractors are on their first one or have never owned / operated anything but lawn tractors and Cat 0 tractors. They probably haven't ever tilled a 40 acre field, a 160 acre field or a 640 acre field. (not that I have done anything over a 40 either....) Everybody has an opinion and we all feel free to voice em and are free to ignore em.

Opinions are like swimsuits. Some you want to see less and some you want to see more.

But, that's just my opinion. Feel free to ignore it as you see fit!

jb

 

[_RaT_]

On second though.. I've changed my mind.. i take it all back.

Since a few of you seem to be agravated about discussing the different trans... and different uses, in different situations.. I concede. gear trans never should have been built.. they obviously have no place or purpose, and are obviously inferior in every way to any other type of power transmission scheme..... and the industry should have started with HST back when the mule teams were put up.

I'm bowing out of this one now... ( I don't mind discussing or debating.. however.. I've no time to argue on a hobby board.. )

thanks

Soundguy

Is this how Soundguy gets so many post's?

 

[_RaT_]

Is it from double....

triple posting? Chris, chill out. Your posts earlier on were very confusing. Your comments about braking, cruise control were inaccurate from how me and I would suspect many of us use our tractors, but then, maybe its because we are not always on something flat like you are. I have to reread your posts often to understand what your saying. 2WD is lovely. Gears are delightful... I have both geared and HST, and even a 2WD that I love dearly. Agriculture is wonderful, farmers with 2WD tractors do many things. Farmers with 2WD and gear tractors get just as much to market as those with other configurations. As you mention more then once in your posts, It all depends on your application. I would concede that 2WD is every bit as good as 4WD, gear better then HST in many applications but then, I have nothing to concede, I have never suggested that in all applications HST is always better or that 4WD is always better then 2WD. I suggest once again, it depends on the application, thats right, the application.


Seems to me all you have is time Chris.

 

[Glowplug]

Geez, I remember when this thread was first started and I made one of the first replies. I haven't followed it since. Now it is 12 pages long!

I haven't gone back and read all the "discussion" but I do have one question. Do HSTs have a hand throttle that controls the engine speed and the pedal controls the ground speed only? Or does the pedal control both engine speed and ground speed?

I have driven both. I prefer geared. Two days ago I was doing some earth moving, levelling, and backdragging. I could maneuver, change speed, change direction, raise & lower loader, and curl & dump the bucket as well as I could imagine. I don't think I'd have been better off with a HST. But, to each his own.

One more question: Which one would take off if on a treadmill?

 

[Mickey_Fx]

All that I've seen have one control for throttle and a separate one for ground speed/direction.

 

[BillyP]

What in the heck is going on with all these Gear vs HST threads? It always winds up the same way!

Someone says one thing and another says I don't believe it or mine is better than yours. If it's better, prove it! If you don't think one will last as long as the other, prove it!

For me, I don't care. I already bought and paid for what I want and with my money. If anyone out there wants to buy me something else to change my mind, bring it on! I have to warn you though, I've already had both.