Manual vs Hydro Transmissions

[SOS]

Zingger not intended.

 

[john_bud]

Hey, is that a picture of your tractor? Looking good!

jb

 

[Soundguy]

Those prices are absolutely 'ripoff' horendous.. almost usery.

Around here, you can get a reman 8spd for the big thousand series for a grand.. plus about another 750 or so for labor for the swap. If you go for a salvage 8spd.. it drops to 750 or so...

Heck.. you can almost buy a complete SOS trans for what that guy is asking... I don't mind people making a buck.. but when they charge 2x to 3x the legit going price for some items.. well.. darn... that just serves to drive prices up everywhere...

I can honestly say.. those are the most expensive trans prices i have -ever- seen for a ford... You could buy each gear singally, and the case and seals and make it yourself for less than he charges for the smallest assembly..

Soundguy

Yeah, It would be great if a service person could get on and tell us what the reman gear, GST and HST units cost.

I have done a bit of looking for parts and transmissions for the old fords 601, 801, early 2000 and early 4000. From Alexander's web site these are the remain prices for;

4 speed $1595 +750 core
5 speed $2195 + 750 core (single clutch)
5 speed $ 2495 + 750 core (Double clutch)

I'm sure the transmissions are great, but at those prices (plus shipping), I chose to do my own! That and my core was worth about $1.12....

jb

 

[john_bud]

Those prices are absolutely 'ripoff' horendous.. almost usery.

Around here, you can get a reman 8spd for the big thousand series for a grand.. plus about another 750 or so for labor for the swap. If you go for a salvage 8spd.. it drops to 750 or so...

Heck.. you can almost buy a complete SOS trans for what that guy is asking... I don't mind people making a buck.. but when they charge 2x to 3x the legit going price for some items.. well.. darn... that just serves to drive prices up everywhere...

I can honestly say.. those are the most expensive trans prices i have -ever- seen for a ford... You could buy each gear singally, and the case and seals and make it yourself for less than he charges for the smallest assembly..

Soundguy

Want to see usury pricing? This is a quote I got for the parts to fix the 4speed. It is only for about 1/2 of the hard parts and doesn't include the usual rebuild stuff like bearings, gaskets and seals.

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-----------John, B9NN7A381B gear, new is $181.03. 8n7100 gear, used is $89.99, 9n7134 retainer, used is $29.99, NDA7111C countershaft, new is $1319.71---ouch. The NDA7141 B gear bushing assy is $423.83 new. Shipping to be added to quote price. Thanks for part numbers. Gary Brown

Price Quote: $2,044.55


To Purchase this item, please go to Ford Tractor Parts 8N Ford Tractors, Ford Tractors Ford Parts and click on the Buy a Part page link. Then type in your e-mail address and this Reference No

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Next time I break something, can I call you up for parts help? (seriously)

jb

 

[Soundguy]

Wow.. I've seen an entire 4spd with casting for the price of just that countershaft.

Sometimes ya have to hunt a little bit.. but DARN.. that guy is trying to break it off if you get my menaing..

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Next time I break something, can I call you up for parts help? (seriously)

jb

Forgot to add.. next time you are looking for ford parts, email me. The people I deal with seem to have more availability with the 1939-1964 parts.. but can get the 1965-1975 parts sometimes.

No guarantees that I'll find them.. but i do guarantee i will look, and make a few calls and emails in order to help.

Soundguy

 

[john_bud]

Forgot to add.. next time you are looking for ford parts, email me. The people I deal with seem to have more availability with the 1939-1964 parts.. but can get the 1965-1975 parts sometimes.

No guarantees that I'll find them.. but i do guarantee i will look, and make a few calls and emails in order to help.

Soundguy

Thanks ~!

It's a 1963 HD Industrial Diesel with 4 speed and sherman combo. Pretty much just a 801, but some thicker parts for the front end and an added frame.

I really really don't want to do any more repairs, but should worse come to worse....

jb

 

[eaglemrpaul]

Sorry for the late post on this. I would like to add a few more thoughts. Here in southeast Wisconsin a majority of people are so many generations off the farm that they may have heard of a clutch but have never seen one. That lack of knowledge isn't good or bad, it's reality. With a clutch, no matter how loud you yell, the tractor won't stop until you run out of fuel, hit something hard, or push the clutch in. With a clutch tractor, car, truck, etc. you need a more experienced operator. If magically every automobile on the road tomorrow has a clutch transmission, I won't be going out on the road tomorrow or for several days. The biggest advantage of owning a clutch tractor around here in that most people won't be able to barrow it.

 

[JerryG]

They generally list whether the main clutch is wet or dry, both for their tractor and the 2-3 brands it is being compared to, and I have not noticed a wet clutch on anything smaller than the NH TC55 with power shuttle (not with the regular synchro shuttle). Of course once I post this I will learn about whichever brand has a wet clutch on their 35hp model...

Massey Ferguson has a PowerShuttle with a wet clutch in tractors as small as 33 engine hp (MF1433 and MF1533. Massey also has a transmission they call a DynaQPS that is PowerShift and PowerShift combined starting at 47 engine hp (MF1547).

 

[MossRoad]

...The biggest advantage of owning a clutch tractor around here in that most people won't be able to barrow it.