Comparison Massey GC1715 vs. Kubota BX2670-1

[MJB62676]

Greetings,
I am now considering the Massey GC 1715 sub compact vs. a Kubota Bx 2670-1 (both new product) .

My question is . . . how does anyone find out about the GC1700 series actual features and benefits? Every important thing I learned came from 1 youtube item or reading TBN posters and 1 test ride I did . . Not from 2 dealerships info . . not reviews or company literature or website.

1. What implements and attachments are available for the Massey GC1715 beyond fel, mmm, and a front blade?

2. Iseki engines . . how do they compare to yanmar and kubota engines?

3. I've listed below some things I discovered by deep digging . . what else or where else do I find info?

I like:
a. Dual hydraulic pumps . . Good thing
b. 54 and 60 inch decks
c. Comfortable driver layout /viewability.
d. Can run lower rpm
e. Cast iron thru out not cast iron/cast aluminum
f. Flow forward engine cooling just like kubota (good thing)
g. Driver's deck floor is open and easy laid out.
h. fully tier 4 and easy engine compartment access.
I. Differential lock.

What can others add . . I found nothing else. To be a competitor to Kubota it has to have some implements, quick hitch and quick attach abilities, etc. etc.. does it have any of those things?

Hope everyone has lots of input because reviewers, dealers, and brochure & company websites haven't. And it seems like a very nice unit to consider.

Thanks.

When I was shopping and buying my 1705, I exhausted myself looking through all the options and trying to find stuff. The one complaint I have about Massey so far is they do a terrible job marketing their product....I honestly believe if they did a little better job marketing, these GC1700 series tractor would really, really take off...

Anyway, I was able to find this page, then go to what attachment I wanted and then they have a compatibility chart at the bottom.


Massey Ferguson | Implements & Attachments

As a side note, I asked my dealer about the 1705 vs. 1715 and all he said was "tried them both, and I see no point in giving 1500 extra for little/no extra benefits". Could be wrong, but he doesn't even stock anything but the 1705 and 1710.

Interesting note, by farting around on Agco, I found a toolbox kit for my GC1705, so I ordered one.

 

[drifter2518]

Interesting note, by farting around on Agco, I found a toolbox kit for my GC1705, so I ordered one.[/QUOTE]

Please show link where you found this toolbox. Thanks

 

[MJB62676]

http://www.agcoparts.com/Library/upload/MF_CUEPartsCatalog_09.2014.pdf



I'm hoping it's real.

 

[drifter2518]

Thanks for the link. Post a pic when you get it please.

 

[madhatter]

Thanks for the link. Post a pic when you get it please.

I agree. Would love to have toolbox, but not sure where it would be mounted and not look strange or get ripped from a branch or such. And I agree with a lot of this post. The Massey site and the 2015 subcompacts are kind of confusing right now. Different seats on the GC1710 and GC1720, different loaders, different backhoes and some are mixed with the old ones and the new ones. I just bought a new GC1710 and had the option of a 2015 with Dl100 loader and CB65 hoe, or DL95 loader and CB05 hoe.... OR.... I went with the new loader and hoe. Really like the new design, but will see how it holds up.

 

[AxleHub]

I agree. Would love to have toolbox, but not sure where it would be mounted and not look strange or get ripped from a branch or such. And I agree with a lot of this post. The Massey site and the 2015 subcompacts are kind of confusing right now. Different seats on the GC1710 and GC1720, different loaders, different backhoes and some are mixed with the old ones and the new ones. I just bought a new GC1710 and had the option of a 2015 with Dl100 loader and CB65 hoe, or DL95 loader and CB05 hoe.... OR.... I went with the new loader and hoe. Really like the new design, but will see how it holds up.

What are your impressions of the front end loader (dl95) ? Did you get a chance to see and test the dl100 and decide on the 95 instead?

Also as I understand it the tlb (10 + 20) have a reversible seat because of the loader. However I've noticed the gc1705 seat is also different from the gc1715.

 

[madhatter]

What are your impressions of the front end loader (dl95) ? Did you get a chance to see and test the dl100 and decide on the 95 instead?

Also as I understand it the tlb (10 + 20) have a reversible seat because of the loader. However I've noticed the gc1705 seat is also different from the gc1715.

Yes the gc1715 and 1720 have a much nicer seat, I looked into buying the seat but it is 1200 bucks from Massey! I actually have not tried the new dl95 loader yet. However I have used the outgoing dl100 lot's and it performed well. The stats say the new loader has a greater lift capacity, not sure if it is because the new rams are a little bigger or due to the design. Not sure how I will like the new loader joystick but I will report back when I use it, winter just won't leave this year ! Still have some snow in the yard.

 

[MJB62676]

I will post pics of the toolbox once it comes in and I have it on.

As for the DL 95, I've had minimal use of it, but it seems ok. I'm still trying to figure out if it has the "dump bucket" function on joystick. I did have to show the guy who delivered it how to put it in float position. All I've used it for is to haul some old carpet I "found" with the Bush Hog over the weekend that probably weighed 100lbs total. No problem. I did try to do some digging in the field and wasn't surprised to find that it struggles without a tooth bar in my soil....so, will be shopping. I hope to attack some rock piles, piles of trashed shingles, and move a bunch of stones with it when things dry out and will report back.

I'm still trying to figure out the nuances of taking it off, etc...but think it will be pretty easy once I've done it a few times.


Overall impressions of the machine:

I'm learning the Quick Hitch would probably be a nice feature for 3 pt attachments. I have the 48" Bush Hog Razorback and a 60" landscape rake on the way...taking the bush hog on and off hasn't been terribly easy.

Comfort of operation is amazing and getting on/off tractor is amazing as well. I LOVE the open operator platform when compared to other models. Operator controls are pretty intuitive. 4WD is AMAZING. Fuel efficiency is very, very good.

The MMM (I have the drive over 60" deck) is a bad mamma jamma. I'm not even certain I NEEDED the bush hog.

 

[jocola]

I believe the new and developing market for scut and compacts . . . is a big wave of prospects who have never owned a tractor before . . they aren't farm oriented or interested . . and they have more challenging terrains to deal with than the previous majority.

As a result . . implement choices and engineering of them are far more significant than prior because "big or heavy" is not the big desire of this new prospect grouping and a reputation in farm equipment is not a qualifier like it once was for this new peospect grouping in my opinion.

This is what I'm starting to think as I look at the SCUT marketplace: the needs of the new SCUT customers are different than the needs of the rural/agricultural community, but the tractor makers have traditionally thought in terms of power and "strength" and weight.

When it comes to SCUTs, it's not just a matter of scaling down a big tractor.

I recently tested out a 1025r and came away a little disappointed. The overall quality was there and the machine felt solid, so I'm not knocking JD quality. But I had the sense that it was the little brother of a bigger tractor - not a machine designed from the ground up for smaller, nimble tasks. I am going to go back and check out the BX line again, because I am wondering if they didn't start from a different place years ago when they identified the SCUT clientele before anyone else. (As a side note, the marketing and sales pitches from Mahindra really turn me off because their main objective seems to be to brag about how big and strong their machines are and how puny and wimpy everyone else is, like pro wrestlers talking trash before a match.)

These tractor companies have tough decisions to make. Do they design their SCUTs so people feel like they're sitting on something with "power," or do they go for something more finely tuned to the needs of these customers, who aren't going to be doing ag work with their machines. Is a loader lift strength of 800lbs vs 1000lbs really going to be a game-changer for them? Do lower engine RPMs matter for any reason other than meeting our desire for big engines with low-end torque? Do they fail to deliver either by trying to be all things?

I am going to test out the MF GC1710 before I make my final decision, but I'm leaning towards BX. I hear a lot more raving and excitement from those owners than any other community, which says something to me.

 

[WilliamBos]

They do have a front blower, the same blower that JD, Kubota, and CNH use. They are built by Radtech in Quebec and painted red for MF.

I guess what I'm surprised to find is that Massey doesn't seem to have any implements. Dealer was looking up on his listing . . Didn't find a front snowblower or broom . . Just a front blade. So no mid pto mount option ???

And the loader bucket does not appear quick mount oriented either.

Certainly in other parts of the country people are buying the GC1700 series . . but both dealers in this area seem like they just started having them . . but both dealers are large.

Thanks for any input posters have to offer.